First, the cops are wrong in how they approached and handled this. No doubt. They deserve to be fired.
Second... people... we know that some cops are assholes. So if you want to avoid being treated liked this, just answer their questions and stop spewing "my rights".
For all you whiners who want to say I'm full of shit, you need to understand the context. Those cops were taking him down the moment they pulled up. To poke them (as in poking the bear) is just plain stupid. If you know you haven't done anything wrong, and if you want to avoid this kind of bullshit, just be compliant. FFS, big brother has all your info anyway, so getting all uppity and causing the cops to have to save face is stupid, especially in front of your child. I mean why not just say, "My name is XYZ, I live about 8 blocks from here at 123 Street. I've lived there about 4 years. We walk in the morning because we enjoy walks before it gets too hot. Do you need us to ride in your car to my house so I can get my ID?"
Remember--asshole cops have their mind made up already, and they have to save face because they're infantile.
That being said, this video will have those cops on leave, if not fired, as they should be. They would have been fired or at least held accountable even if this Dad simply complied.
The "things" you refer to have nothing to do with this incident, in the sense that the Father was not going to change anything. The only thing he could do is lose and traumatize his child.
Tell me... is the lawsuit and money (that would have come anyway) going to make things better for this child's traumatic moment? This scar is going to be for half the rest of his life, at least.
But complying is a wimpy way out, I suppose in your mind? Right. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and picking a losing fight in front of your child is NOT the moment.
I should add... there is a place for defiance. I just don't think it was the right moment in front of his 5 year old son with no one else to take the son so now the dad is risking the son having to be watched over by the popo that just took his father.
People in Nazi Germany complied to getting on those trains.---Give me liberty or give me death. I will not comply unless I want to where in cases like this. Is it a good idea to comply with vax mandates?
Your advice to Americans is, in summary, leave ALL of your God Given Rights at home, Bend the Knee, and lick the Jack Boots when the come and push up on you....
How about YOU just fuck right the fuck off all the way to China where those are the actual Basic Rules for mere Survival....
You're a dipshit. Try understanding the concept of context. So this Dad loses his cool and now what... his son is abandoned and with those cops. Choose your battles wisely. And don't jump to conclusions about me... you're the asswipe, not me.
Explain how I was promoting the loss of rights. And, explain how this moment in time that the child was not the priority. Get off your high horse. Learn what startegic thinking is all about. Re-read my comment and learn, you pissant.
"I don't know" was his answer to what is is your name and address. Yes, he lost his cool. He watched too many people like you put out videos about how to stand up for your rights at the wrong time and escalate a situation. Good job on you.
You're getting ripped to shreds for this intelligent comment. Sorry about that.
There is such a thing as context, you are 100% correct and many of my fellow pedes are being triggered instead of thinking clearly.
If it had been me, I would have provided my name and address and offered to allow them to escort me to retrieve it. Would I be kneeling or giving up any rights in doing so? Would I be empowering those pigs? I can tell you what I would not be doing... I would not be traumatizing my kid over something so stupid.
I abhor what happened, but pops could have LIKELY avoided the escalation by changing his candor and approach slightly.
"What's your name and date of birth?"
"I don't know..."
Pig cops think you are sus, so you respond be behaving more sus? That's not going to end very well.
I agree he should have complied TO A POINT, in doing so this would have likely been avoided.
Thanks for thecomment. I am actually pretty amazed at the infantile level of thinking from many. But it's fun responding to them.
And, yes, to a point. When all cops have video, it's pretty easy to go back and sue the hell out of them. The moment you give any reason for investigators to conclude that you were resisting, then you strip yourself of any possibility of exacting real justice. Play their game in the moment (in this moment, with the child present) and fight another day.
Just explain how standing up for his rights at that moment worked out well? And, can you not think of a different way and time he could have followed up and broguht a can of legal whoopass on those guys (and spare his son the trauma)?
First, the cops are wrong in how they approached and handled this. No doubt. They deserve to be fired.
Second... people... we know that some cops are assholes. So if you want to avoid being treated liked this, just answer their questions and stop spewing "my rights".
For all you whiners who want to say I'm full of shit, you need to understand the context. Those cops were taking him down the moment they pulled up. To poke them (as in poking the bear) is just plain stupid. If you know you haven't done anything wrong, and if you want to avoid this kind of bullshit, just be compliant. FFS, big brother has all your info anyway, so getting all uppity and causing the cops to have to save face is stupid, especially in front of your child. I mean why not just say, "My name is XYZ, I live about 8 blocks from here at 123 Street. I've lived there about 4 years. We walk in the morning because we enjoy walks before it gets too hot. Do you need us to ride in your car to my house so I can get my ID?"
Remember--asshole cops have their mind made up already, and they have to save face because they're infantile.
That being said, this video will have those cops on leave, if not fired, as they should be. They would have been fired or at least held accountable even if this Dad simply complied.
Comply away, that will surely make things better.
Back the blue?
Who are the ones that come with the feds to your door when it's time for gun inspection?
Ask me how I know?
I'm not sure what your meaning is, I certainly don't back the blue.
In the UK they are a corporate owned private army.
I'm not at all saying you are, I'm actually agreeing with you.
The "things" you refer to have nothing to do with this incident, in the sense that the Father was not going to change anything. The only thing he could do is lose and traumatize his child.
Tell me... is the lawsuit and money (that would have come anyway) going to make things better for this child's traumatic moment? This scar is going to be for half the rest of his life, at least.
But complying is a wimpy way out, I suppose in your mind? Right. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and picking a losing fight in front of your child is NOT the moment.
I don't believe complying is the wimpy way out, but you don't protect your rights by not exercising them, you lose them.
So true!
Not if you pursue them afterwards. It could have been easy to go to the station later in the day and file a complaint.
I should add... there is a place for defiance. I just don't think it was the right moment in front of his 5 year old son with no one else to take the son so now the dad is risking the son having to be watched over by the popo that just took his father.
Name does not check out.
“Changeagent” advocating to just shut up and comply… 🙄
Picking when, where, and how to effect change is most of the battle.
Good lord you are short sighted
People in Nazi Germany complied to getting on those trains.---Give me liberty or give me death. I will not comply unless I want to where in cases like this. Is it a good idea to comply with vax mandates?
Great examples of where non-compliance in the moment was nedded.
Don’t mind being called shortsighted by a boot licker. Cozy AF.
Stay cozy and out of the way. Your intellectual incapacities bring the rest of us down.
Sooo....
Your advice to Americans is, in summary, leave ALL of your God Given Rights at home, Bend the Knee, and lick the Jack Boots when the come and push up on you....
How about YOU just fuck right the fuck off all the way to China where those are the actual Basic Rules for mere Survival....
Stupid ""F'n"" Communist....
You're a dipshit. Try understanding the concept of context. So this Dad loses his cool and now what... his son is abandoned and with those cops. Choose your battles wisely. And don't jump to conclusions about me... you're the asswipe, not me.
you're the one Promoting and Pushing for MORE loss of American God Given Rights....
You sound exactly like the Leftist Karens and Commies that never contribute anything of value to our Society, and are always lying....
Like I said, Fuck Off all the way to China, Americans do NOT need you or Your Type here....
Give up our Rights, no fucking way Asshoe....
Explain how I was promoting the loss of rights. And, explain how this moment in time that the child was not the priority. Get off your high horse. Learn what startegic thinking is all about. Re-read my comment and learn, you pissant.
Standing up for your rights is NOT “losing your cool” for fucks sake.
So, which police department do you work for? 🐷
"I don't know" was his answer to what is is your name and address. Yes, he lost his cool. He watched too many people like you put out videos about how to stand up for your rights at the wrong time and escalate a situation. Good job on you.
You're getting ripped to shreds for this intelligent comment. Sorry about that.
There is such a thing as context, you are 100% correct and many of my fellow pedes are being triggered instead of thinking clearly.
If it had been me, I would have provided my name and address and offered to allow them to escort me to retrieve it. Would I be kneeling or giving up any rights in doing so? Would I be empowering those pigs? I can tell you what I would not be doing... I would not be traumatizing my kid over something so stupid.
I abhor what happened, but pops could have LIKELY avoided the escalation by changing his candor and approach slightly.
"What's your name and date of birth?"
"I don't know..."
Pig cops think you are sus, so you respond be behaving more sus? That's not going to end very well.
I agree he should have complied TO A POINT, in doing so this would have likely been avoided.
Thanks for thecomment. I am actually pretty amazed at the infantile level of thinking from many. But it's fun responding to them.
And, yes, to a point. When all cops have video, it's pretty easy to go back and sue the hell out of them. The moment you give any reason for investigators to conclude that you were resisting, then you strip yourself of any possibility of exacting real justice. Play their game in the moment (in this moment, with the child present) and fight another day.
That is literally the worst advice I've ever heard. If you don't stand up for your rights, you won't f****** have any idiot.
Standing up for your rights is not limited to a point in time. Groww up.
If when your rights are being deprived is not the time to stand for them, then when exactly? A point in time? That's your argument?
Just explain how standing up for his rights at that moment worked out well? And, can you not think of a different way and time he could have followed up and broguht a can of legal whoopass on those guys (and spare his son the trauma)?