I've never played that game of "respecting the dead." Screw that, dying isn't special, billions of people have died and all of us are going to die. So dying doesn't make a person a hero or a better person anymore than taking a crap does. If a person was an asshole or a POS in life I'll call it like it is when that person is dead too. Dying doesn't change anything we have done in life. It simply means we can't repair the damage we have done. Therefore, we should be remembered for how we were in life. If you don't want people talking about what an asshole you were, now is the time to fix it. Dying doesn't fix it, it makes it permanent.
i'm glad you said this because honestly, i haven't heard anyone else say this. i'm like, just because they died doesn't mean all the bad things they did while alive just magically disappeared. most people say, don't speak ill of the dead, i'm like why the hell not if it's the truth?
To a certain degree I agree with you there. I didn't necessarily make this statement because it's exactly what I believe, rather an explanation of Trumps sudden change in heart regarding Killery's nick name.
Added thought,
Where I can see this saying being applicable to me in effect would be the dead are no longer here to defend or even change there position on a particular topic.
Yes, dying changes nothing about a person's actions, which is why not speaking ill of the dead has nothing to do with what they did when they were alive.
It's awfully easy to make someone out to have been "an asshole or a POS in life" when they aren't there to defend themselves. And it serves no purpose, other than to make you feel better, since the value in talking about horrible people from the past is in understanding their actions and what they did. Calling them names doesn't inform anyone about the history of that person, it just makes them emotionally charged against someone they never knew, and makes you pissed off all over again because you keep resurfacing the same emotional reaction to some dead guy from decades ago.
You can say "John Smith did this and that" without also adding "and that's why John Smith was a massive asshole!".
Now, maybe John Smith was a massive asshole, and we just can't help but point it out sometimes, but that doesn't magically make it the right way to behave, or the right thing to say in a given scenario.
Mortuis nihil nisi bonum, "Of the dead, [say] nothing but good."
I've never played that game of "respecting the dead." Screw that, dying isn't special, billions of people have died and all of us are going to die. So dying doesn't make a person a hero or a better person anymore than taking a crap does. If a person was an asshole or a POS in life I'll call it like it is when that person is dead too. Dying doesn't change anything we have done in life. It simply means we can't repair the damage we have done. Therefore, we should be remembered for how we were in life. If you don't want people talking about what an asshole you were, now is the time to fix it. Dying doesn't fix it, it makes it permanent.
You sir are dead right!
i'm glad you said this because honestly, i haven't heard anyone else say this. i'm like, just because they died doesn't mean all the bad things they did while alive just magically disappeared. most people say, don't speak ill of the dead, i'm like why the hell not if it's the truth?
To a certain degree I agree with you there. I didn't necessarily make this statement because it's exactly what I believe, rather an explanation of Trumps sudden change in heart regarding Killery's nick name.
Added thought, Where I can see this saying being applicable to me in effect would be the dead are no longer here to defend or even change there position on a particular topic.
I am sure he got to defend himself in the tribunal
Yes, dying changes nothing about a person's actions, which is why not speaking ill of the dead has nothing to do with what they did when they were alive.
It's awfully easy to make someone out to have been "an asshole or a POS in life" when they aren't there to defend themselves. And it serves no purpose, other than to make you feel better, since the value in talking about horrible people from the past is in understanding their actions and what they did. Calling them names doesn't inform anyone about the history of that person, it just makes them emotionally charged against someone they never knew, and makes you pissed off all over again because you keep resurfacing the same emotional reaction to some dead guy from decades ago.
You can say "John Smith did this and that" without also adding "and that's why John Smith was a massive asshole!".
Now, maybe John Smith was a massive asshole, and we just can't help but point it out sometimes, but that doesn't magically make it the right way to behave, or the right thing to say in a given scenario.