I don't buy the multiverse idea (and if I did, I wouldn't buy THIS idea that "your consciousness flees your body just before you die and inhabits one of 'your' bodies in another universe" -- what happens to the soul of THAT body, or are all the infinite number of bodies in the infinite number of universes just zombies until YOUR soul -- you being apparently the only "REAL" version of you -- jumps into some other schmuck's body? And as the centuries roll by, how is it that a copy of your body is still around to take over?).
There is ANOTHER quantum-based idea about mortality that some of us might be interested in, although I have trouble with it because it lacks any visible mechanism for memory retention -- certain types of brain damage can erase memories because memory is stored in the physical brain; if the immaterial soul had a way to store memories, that wouldn't be an issue.
The theory I'm discussing is best described by Kastrup and basically consists of these ideas:
Consciousness is primary; the physical is secondary. Quantum wave theory, which states that elementary particles, such as light and electrons, are nodes (or call it what you will) on the probability waves that carry the particles; see the Double-Slit experiment for details proving that particles are waves of probability -- which Kastrup sees as emanations of the universal consciousness -- until they are observed (which has a specialized meaning broader than the common one).
The physical brain is constantly, iteratively self-reflective and this causes a small amount of the universal consciousness to be captured and dissociated from the whole, much as in multiple personality disorder where one conscious personality is isolated from the others. The result is a person's soul, which does something the glob-of-matter-brain cannot do on its own: EXPERIENCE what happens in the brain and body and exert free will (possible due to quantum uncertainty and more).
After death, including after a temporary death (e.g., someone "brought back from the dead" via an EMT's revival efforts or whatever), the soul re-merges with the Universal Consciousness.
What I DON'T see is any method to take one's memories with the soul; without the physical brain, there isn't any mechanism for that in the theory (unless I've missed something).
Of course, that doesn't mean there ISN'T such a mechanism; this is, after all, just a theory and while it seems well supported in a number of ways I don't think of it as any more than a sketch. I like it, though.
What I DON'T see is any method to take one's memories with the soul; without the physical brain, there isn't any mechanism for that in the theory (unless I've missed something).
That is such a great point u/Narg and I'm glad you brought that up because John Titor actually talked about it specifically on two separate occasions:
Jan 26th, 2001:
"Since the existence of multiple universes is a reality from my viewpoint, please allow me to disclose an idea we toss around a bit in 2036. Since all possibilities, outcomes and events are occurring and exist simultaneously; it would mean there are multiple universes out there where “you” are living a day behind and a day ahead of the “you” on this universe.
There are some who believe that memory is some sort of information transfer or communication with the “yous” in the past, across worldlines or universes. Although this is seemingly quite ridiculous, if you think that could be true, then physics tells us that the same information transfer from our future selves on other worldlines is not only possible but certain. Could it be that fantasy or “what if” scenarios are actually future memory from an alternate “us” on a future worldline?"
Feb 2nd, 2001:
"There is also an area of thought that maintains all of the “yous” out there will make up the “you” that eventually returns to God. In that manner, it is frustrating to know that you are capable of and acting on all of the thoughts and ideas you have regardless of what the “you” hear is doing. How good or evil do you think you can be?
There is even an idea (supported in physics apparently but I have a hard time with this one) that there is some sort of communication going on between all of the “yous” that are out there. Some people think that memories, intuition and conscious are actually attempts by one version of “you” to talk to another."
The idea that everything possible becomes real is at the core of the multiverse idea, and it DOES solve a lot of interesting problems. It may be that we cannot comprehend the full nature of "real" -- the multiverse idea has adherents and opponents among physicists, as you know -- but as I said the idea just doesn't work for me. Then again, perhaps another version of me in another 'verse has other ideas . . .
I don't buy the multiverse idea (and if I did, I wouldn't buy THIS idea that "your consciousness flees your body just before you die and inhabits one of 'your' bodies in another universe" -- what happens to the soul of THAT body, or are all the infinite number of bodies in the infinite number of universes just zombies until YOUR soul -- you being apparently the only "REAL" version of you -- jumps into some other schmuck's body? And as the centuries roll by, how is it that a copy of your body is still around to take over?).
There is ANOTHER quantum-based idea about mortality that some of us might be interested in, although I have trouble with it because it lacks any visible mechanism for memory retention -- certain types of brain damage can erase memories because memory is stored in the physical brain; if the immaterial soul had a way to store memories, that wouldn't be an issue.
The theory I'm discussing is best described by Kastrup and basically consists of these ideas:
Consciousness is primary; the physical is secondary. Quantum wave theory, which states that elementary particles, such as light and electrons, are nodes (or call it what you will) on the probability waves that carry the particles; see the Double-Slit experiment for details proving that particles are waves of probability -- which Kastrup sees as emanations of the universal consciousness -- until they are observed (which has a specialized meaning broader than the common one).
The physical brain is constantly, iteratively self-reflective and this causes a small amount of the universal consciousness to be captured and dissociated from the whole, much as in multiple personality disorder where one conscious personality is isolated from the others. The result is a person's soul, which does something the glob-of-matter-brain cannot do on its own: EXPERIENCE what happens in the brain and body and exert free will (possible due to quantum uncertainty and more).
After death, including after a temporary death (e.g., someone "brought back from the dead" via an EMT's revival efforts or whatever), the soul re-merges with the Universal Consciousness.
What I DON'T see is any method to take one's memories with the soul; without the physical brain, there isn't any mechanism for that in the theory (unless I've missed something).
Of course, that doesn't mean there ISN'T such a mechanism; this is, after all, just a theory and while it seems well supported in a number of ways I don't think of it as any more than a sketch. I like it, though.
That is such a great point u/Narg and I'm glad you brought that up because John Titor actually talked about it specifically on two separate occasions:
Jan 26th, 2001:
"Since the existence of multiple universes is a reality from my viewpoint, please allow me to disclose an idea we toss around a bit in 2036. Since all possibilities, outcomes and events are occurring and exist simultaneously; it would mean there are multiple universes out there where “you” are living a day behind and a day ahead of the “you” on this universe. There are some who believe that memory is some sort of information transfer or communication with the “yous” in the past, across worldlines or universes. Although this is seemingly quite ridiculous, if you think that could be true, then physics tells us that the same information transfer from our future selves on other worldlines is not only possible but certain. Could it be that fantasy or “what if” scenarios are actually future memory from an alternate “us” on a future worldline?"
Feb 2nd, 2001:
"There is also an area of thought that maintains all of the “yous” out there will make up the “you” that eventually returns to God. In that manner, it is frustrating to know that you are capable of and acting on all of the thoughts and ideas you have regardless of what the “you” hear is doing. How good or evil do you think you can be?
There is even an idea (supported in physics apparently but I have a hard time with this one) that there is some sort of communication going on between all of the “yous” that are out there. Some people think that memories, intuition and conscious are actually attempts by one version of “you” to talk to another."
Source:
https://temporalrecon.wordpress.com/the-titor-posts/
The idea that everything possible becomes real is at the core of the multiverse idea, and it DOES solve a lot of interesting problems. It may be that we cannot comprehend the full nature of "real" -- the multiverse idea has adherents and opponents among physicists, as you know -- but as I said the idea just doesn't work for me. Then again, perhaps another version of me in another 'verse has other ideas . . .
+1
Hahaha u/Narg that last line was great! Agree or disagree, I Thank you for giving your input here!
Thank you also, John. I love having people here who I can discuss such things with.