You have no actual sources. You’ll just lean on some idea that “it totally happened bro trust me” and expect me to buy that?“
This is like the meme of the commie dweeb snarkily asking for “Sources?” for something observable. I didn’t tell you “bro trust me” and I don’t expect you to buy anything, because, once again, I’m not trying to sell some new legislation. I don’t have to prove anything. The commie politicians should have done so but since they failed to and because you’re defending them, you’ve taken up their burden.
Laws are best when they’re few and simple. Unnecessary laws are Stalin’s playground. (btw, in this current California communist bill, what’s the punishment for a locality that has its own voter ID law?) I don’t like that politicians are near-constantly pushing frivolous new laws. If they were decent professionals, they would first use evidence to demonstrate the need for a new law.
Many Americans who have ID, transportation, and voting eligibility choose not to vote. It’s their right and it’s not a big deal. It’s worse for a non-citizen to vote than it is for a citizen not to vote, but for the sake of moving forward, I’ll just say their respective values are 1:1.
So how would we demonstrate the need for this new law? One thing we could do is contrast the costs of passing it with the costs of not passing it. The cost of passing it is pretty huge as it can help millions of non-citizens to vote. The cost of not passing it is small: a few otherwise eligible people who want to vote and who want to have valid ID but who can’t afford the $25 ID fee or the transportation cost of getting to the ID center don’t get to vote. So we would need statistics of how many people there are in each category. Good luck getting those numbers. Government agencies intentionally obscure the number of illegals in the country and the number of non-citizens who vote.
Arriving upon a reliable number of potentially disenfranchised citizens requires several considerations. We should consider that there are people who can afford the $25 fee and the $5 bus ride who don’t want to vote and who don’t want ID. Some of these people might have plenty of money and maybe even an unregistered and uninsured car, but they don’t want ID because they don’t want to comply with The Man. These types are probably rare, existing on the fringe of thug life, but even if they have no ID they shouldn’t be counted among the involuntarily disenfranchised or as people adversely affected by voter ID laws.. We should look for people who truly can’t afford the $30 but who want to have ID and who want to vote. Their desires are difficult to quantify so you’d have to take their word on those. Not only would you have to confirm their lack of legitimate employment income, but also welfare income, which is plentiful in the US and especially CA. Objectively there would also be the challenge of accounting for their black market earnings, and for private and even casual charity received. You’d also have to track the person’s spending. If a person somehow has enough to live on and should be able to budget the $30 every five or so years for ID, but the person wastes that budget, then that person isn’t being involuntarily disenfranchised.
You could try to find people actually turned away from voting centers due to lack of ID, and then try to use other means to ascertain that they are in fact eligible. Unfortunately, the anecdotes from 2020 are more often about people not allowed to vote because the Democrats already cast a ballot in their names. If somehow you get a sizable number of no-ID rejects and their claims check out, the number would still be dwarfed by the number of non-citizens voting, and we’d be back to realizing that this bill causes more harm than it alleviates, by multiple factors of ten.
When you pretended to misunderstand “additional” I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you’re sincere but retarded. When you grossly misrepresented the “I don’t care” line, you were blatantly disingenuous. Since you’re an untrustworthy troll, I’m reluctant to click on your link. Who knows where it goes. But if you think any of the stats on your link are relevant to the analysis and considerations above, feel free to cherry pick and quote or paraphrase them to me, and I’ll decide if they’re worth verifying. Don’t come at me with some shallow stats that aren’t relevant, that don’t pass muster, or that don’t help to explain the situation.
This is like the meme of the commie dweeb snarkily asking for “Sources?” for something observable
If you spend time in predominantly black and lower class communities, you can observe how difficult it is. These observations come with recorded statistics, that I've shown you, but you refuse to look at.
Many Americans who have ID, transportation, and voting eligibility choose not to vote. It’s their right and it’s not a big deal.
Neat. So for those who want to use their right, we should make it as easy as possible for them to exercise it.
a few otherwise eligible people who want to vote and who want to have valid ID but who can’t afford the $25 ID fee or the transportation cost of getting to the ID center don’t get to vote
Then that's a poorly run government if they have to pay to vote.
You talk about bus rides but many communities don't have reliable public transportation, so if you're suggesting that our government puts some serious investment into that, that would be excellent.
When you grossly misrepresented the “I don’t care” line, you were blatantly disingenuous
I didn't misinterpret it. I know you meant specifically my age. I was using that line as a larger sign of the whole: that you don't care about facts.
But if you think any of the stats on your link are relevant to the analysis and considerations above, feel free to cherry pick and quote or paraphrase them to me, and I’ll decide if they’re worth verifying.
Buddy you can't even provide a source to what you're saying. Why would I bother breaking down the links I already sent to you even further if you're too stupid to click on it yourself?
“probably” isn’t a “conclusion”. Maybe the CA govt doesn’t, but other states might, and in CA there are probably other organizations who help with that sort of thing. Anyway, you’re back to the idea that black people are too dumb to acquire and budget $25. I’m not buying that.
You’re too lazy to use statistics to formulate a thesis on why this noncitizen voting bill is needed. If you’re simply unable because your stats suck, that’s unfortunate because it looks like you’re unwilling because you’re instead trying to bait me into clicking on some shady shit. Too suspect. Do your own work. This bill is unnecessary until proven otherwise.
This is like the meme of the commie dweeb snarkily asking for “Sources?” for something observable. I didn’t tell you “bro trust me” and I don’t expect you to buy anything, because, once again, I’m not trying to sell some new legislation. I don’t have to prove anything. The commie politicians should have done so but since they failed to and because you’re defending them, you’ve taken up their burden.
Laws are best when they’re few and simple. Unnecessary laws are Stalin’s playground. (btw, in this current California communist bill, what’s the punishment for a locality that has its own voter ID law?) I don’t like that politicians are near-constantly pushing frivolous new laws. If they were decent professionals, they would first use evidence to demonstrate the need for a new law.
Many Americans who have ID, transportation, and voting eligibility choose not to vote. It’s their right and it’s not a big deal. It’s worse for a non-citizen to vote than it is for a citizen not to vote, but for the sake of moving forward, I’ll just say their respective values are 1:1.
So how would we demonstrate the need for this new law? One thing we could do is contrast the costs of passing it with the costs of not passing it. The cost of passing it is pretty huge as it can help millions of non-citizens to vote. The cost of not passing it is small: a few otherwise eligible people who want to vote and who want to have valid ID but who can’t afford the $25 ID fee or the transportation cost of getting to the ID center don’t get to vote. So we would need statistics of how many people there are in each category. Good luck getting those numbers. Government agencies intentionally obscure the number of illegals in the country and the number of non-citizens who vote.
Arriving upon a reliable number of potentially disenfranchised citizens requires several considerations. We should consider that there are people who can afford the $25 fee and the $5 bus ride who don’t want to vote and who don’t want ID. Some of these people might have plenty of money and maybe even an unregistered and uninsured car, but they don’t want ID because they don’t want to comply with The Man. These types are probably rare, existing on the fringe of thug life, but even if they have no ID they shouldn’t be counted among the involuntarily disenfranchised or as people adversely affected by voter ID laws.. We should look for people who truly can’t afford the $30 but who want to have ID and who want to vote. Their desires are difficult to quantify so you’d have to take their word on those. Not only would you have to confirm their lack of legitimate employment income, but also welfare income, which is plentiful in the US and especially CA. Objectively there would also be the challenge of accounting for their black market earnings, and for private and even casual charity received. You’d also have to track the person’s spending. If a person somehow has enough to live on and should be able to budget the $30 every five or so years for ID, but the person wastes that budget, then that person isn’t being involuntarily disenfranchised.
You could try to find people actually turned away from voting centers due to lack of ID, and then try to use other means to ascertain that they are in fact eligible. Unfortunately, the anecdotes from 2020 are more often about people not allowed to vote because the Democrats already cast a ballot in their names. If somehow you get a sizable number of no-ID rejects and their claims check out, the number would still be dwarfed by the number of non-citizens voting, and we’d be back to realizing that this bill causes more harm than it alleviates, by multiple factors of ten.
When you pretended to misunderstand “additional” I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you’re sincere but retarded. When you grossly misrepresented the “I don’t care” line, you were blatantly disingenuous. Since you’re an untrustworthy troll, I’m reluctant to click on your link. Who knows where it goes. But if you think any of the stats on your link are relevant to the analysis and considerations above, feel free to cherry pick and quote or paraphrase them to me, and I’ll decide if they’re worth verifying. Don’t come at me with some shallow stats that aren’t relevant, that don’t pass muster, or that don’t help to explain the situation.
If you spend time in predominantly black and lower class communities, you can observe how difficult it is. These observations come with recorded statistics, that I've shown you, but you refuse to look at.
Neat. So for those who want to use their right, we should make it as easy as possible for them to exercise it.
Then that's a poorly run government if they have to pay to vote.
You talk about bus rides but many communities don't have reliable public transportation, so if you're suggesting that our government puts some serious investment into that, that would be excellent.
I didn't misinterpret it. I know you meant specifically my age. I was using that line as a larger sign of the whole: that you don't care about facts.
Buddy you can't even provide a source to what you're saying. Why would I bother breaking down the links I already sent to you even further if you're too stupid to click on it yourself?
Ok, so waive the ID fee for financial hardship cases. They probably already do that.
Just pick out one or two good stats
Whoops, they don’t. You should try actually looking up facts instead of just thinking about it and making up your own conclusions.
Just read it yourself. I looked up and gave you the link. Don’t be lazy.
“probably” isn’t a “conclusion”. Maybe the CA govt doesn’t, but other states might, and in CA there are probably other organizations who help with that sort of thing. Anyway, you’re back to the idea that black people are too dumb to acquire and budget $25. I’m not buying that.
You’re too lazy to use statistics to formulate a thesis on why this noncitizen voting bill is needed. If you’re simply unable because your stats suck, that’s unfortunate because it looks like you’re unwilling because you’re instead trying to bait me into clicking on some shady shit. Too suspect. Do your own work. This bill is unnecessary until proven otherwise.