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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

They're protesting at the dealerships by the looks of it. Doesn't seem to be anything about destroying what they already own

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ceva 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is just a basic poster probably made in Adobe. It's not that advanced

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ceva 2 points ago +2 / -0

Everything in reality is up for interpretation. Some things are clearer than others. That’s just the way it is. Sorry.

Lol nothing to apologize for. That's how reality is.

Religion, it seems, tries often to be above questioning. That's my issue with it, at its core.

You don’t know what is coming. I don’t know what is coming. We both know something is coming

Mmm, that depends on what we mean by "something." Do we mean a downfall? A reckoning? A destruction? Almost certainly. Everything dies on a long enough timeline, and, in some cases, is reborn.

Or do we mean some supernatural force? Cleansing? Second coming? I highly doubt it. Any demise that comes will surely be of our own doing.

People here have rediscovered fasting and it’s health benefits. Fasting came from Biblical commands, as if our creator knew what was good for us

Or, people back then also had seen health benefits from fasting. Keep in mind these are still real people who wrote these words, largely from their own experiences.

None of what you've said is anything I "dislike." I'm simply questioning it. I find the bible, and especially many who follow it, to be contradictory and the more I learn about it, the more I feel it's several disconnected words and ideas.

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

That to me has always been the inherent problem with religion for me. There are so many different interpretations of what is right and wrong, and it comes to the point where we create actual societal rules and regulations based on text that even the church can't agree on.

If, at the end of the day, you're the type of person who has their beliefs and just treats everyone with respect, loves thy neighbor and all that, then you're doing great!

Kind of a side tangent, but it's why I sometimes am skeptical when someone uses the bible as reasoning for what a person should and shouldn't do.

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ceva 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's from your comment earlier in the thread.

26 "'You shall not eat any meat with the blood still in it; neither shall you use enchantments, nor practice sorcery. 27 You shall not cut the hair on the sides of your heads, neither shall you clip off the edge of your beard. 28 "'You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you. I am the LORD. 29 Don't profane your daughter, to make her a prostitute; lest the land fall to prostitution, and the land become full of wickedness. 30 "'You shall keep my Shabbatot, and reverence my sanctuary; I am the LORD.

I'm not sure why you're being rigid about the tattoos, but giving some leeway to cutting hair/trimming the beard.

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ceva 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sorry, corners? The bit that was quoted earlier didn’t mention corners.

You shall not cut the hair on the sides of your heads, neither shall you clip off the edge of your beard

You may not have corners, that much I can agree with. Sides though, you most certainly do.

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ceva 2 points ago +2 / -0

How come some bits are worded explicitly while others are up for interpretation? It's possible that tattoos meant something different back then

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, there are a lot of cities close together that don't have easy rail travel. Cincinnati to Chicago, for example, two once major rail hubs, have just one train per day late at night between the two of them. Meanwhile, Paris to Spain has 2-4 rail lines per day and they're more than twice the distance apart.

It seems the issue is a lack of investment in what we already have. There is capability for at least something and yet we don't bother.

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ceva 2 points ago +2 / -0

Realistically there's so much viable land for rail travel in the US and Canada. The great plains make it easy for construction.

I was just in Europe last year, and being able to freely travel by train from country to country, with commuter rails for stops to different smaller cities, was really nice.

And they have significantly more boundaries and geography to work with!

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ceva 0 points ago +1 / -1

Bad take. Having an extensive rail system like in Europe/Japan would be fucking awesome. There are still other ways to get around after you get off the train, obviously. It’s no more/less limiting than where planes can take us.

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are you the "censor anyone who has an opinion I don't like" type?

Nope. I just hope you realize you're part of a movement that doesn't support you.

I bring up this point because it's the point of the conversation.

Strawman.

You need to lookup what strawman means, because it's not that.

I've been staying on topic. Are you suggesting we shift to focus on what you want to talk about? Because if so, I'm for it. I think we've exhausted the point I was making.

What would you like to discuss?

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

The substance of what you said is much more nuanced than you think. You're operating on a pretty limited mentality with it so I didn't really address it because it's not the main part of the discussion.

My point isn't to get at whatever truth you're peddling, it's that you're not among people who share your ideology.

My guess is any critical questioning of your "truth" is never returned with substance, but only demands for the person asking to figure it out themselves, as is the common trend.

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't think you're understanding the point of my comment.

It doesn't matter if it's a strong stance. But the vast majority of people on this site have indicated they're on the opposite side of this major talking point.

Try posting about it. Try getting a sticky. You won't, because the opinion is not only controversial but the mods may likely ban you for it for trolling, or at least you'll get people accusing you of just making the website look bad.

Ironically, you're in the minority.

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah you said that already. Doesn't really have anything to do with my response

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

He shut down news papers and jailed political opponents. He did everything they said Trump would do and worse. The winners write the history books so you only know what they want us to know.

This is what others in this thread say about Lincoln

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

It seems a very strong dividing line. No, you don't have to agree on everything, but segregation v non-segregation is a pretty major stance

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

So you're more in favor of segregation, and things that are often pushed by Jim Crow laws?

Because people on this site are saying that the democrats are bad for that.

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wait, so the democrats were trying to keep slavery legal, and Lincoln led the Republicans who were the billionaires who consider slavery good?

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ceva 1 point ago +1 / -0

So why are we attributing confederacy to the democrats if they're not even "bad"? OP implies that they're not the "good guys," so what else does that mean?

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