Thanks for the information. I will definitely add Li Hongzi, Falun Gong and Jiang Zemin to my "to dig" list. If I remember correctly, Jiang Zemin died recently, which was considered notable by some Anons.
On a different note, what is your opinion on the idea that keeps getting pushed on the social media lately that a lot of average Chinese are actually happy with the current system, where if they dont try to mess with the system, they can actually lead a good life, and so they are happy with the CCP ?
If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference, https://en.minghui.org is the site I mentioned earlier in a post. And - I don‘t think I have to mention this specifically - be aware, there is a lot of misinformation out there. It‘s important to really know the source - what Falun Gong and Li Hongzhi really teaches - to be able to discern what is true and what not. The CCP - and probably other entities - has done enormous work to distort and defame the movement. I‘m here if you have any questions and want to hear my opinion on it.
And jiang zemin… yeah, his dead was notable, because he was probably the most evil clown that ever contaminated the earth. And I mean it. Seriously, that… thing… was evil. Incredibly stupid and incredibly evil. With wide repercussions of his deeds for the whole world.
And the social media push… honestly? It‘s most probably the Wumao at work, and manufactured consent. There‘s also a Great Awakening happening in mainland china - more and more people are awake to what the CCP is, and IMO the social Media push is a way of the CCP in trying to counter that.
On the other hand, China has fully implemented the Social Credit system, and playing the system by the people could also be a part of that phenomenon.
But I really don‘t think that the people honestly are happy with the CCP.
Edit: The book „Nine Commentaries on the communist party“ sums it pretty much up why I believe that the people are not really happy about the party. http://www.ninecommentaries.com/
If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference
Yes, thats how I always like to start my digs. I started reading Bible after finding Q to learn about Christianity and I read the Pfizer clinical study to really confirm that vaccines were neither effective, nor safe nor necessary. Source material is the best place to start for everything !
Will take a while since I still have a lot of Bible to go through, and in addition I have a huge backlog of reading material, but this is interesting so I will find time.
So on that site, what would be the base teachings / reference material? The look of the site is a bit disconcerting because it looks more like a political movement than a spiritual movement. What is the "bible" or the "scriptures" equivalent for FG ?
Also, do you think Xi played a role in Jiang's downfall?
The minghui site is indeed more the "activist" site - it's main purpose is a little bit that of an "Info-Hub" for both practitioners as well as people interested in the happenings around the practice and the persecution. Yes, it has a political appereance, but I don't consider it political, as its "political purpose" is shedding light on the still ongoing persecution and ways on how to counter it. In my understanding, it's "political" in the sense that it raises awareness about the human rights situation of the persecution. I mean, the persecution of the CCP is basically denying the right to exist to people in china who practice FG - and the persecution is deeply rooted in the CCP-culture. I have come to the conclusion, that the persecution cannot be ended anymore without ending the rule of the CCP itself. In my understanding, it isn't about political power, but simply being able to live life. Unfortunately, the CCP denies people (not only Falun Gong practitioners) to be able to just live.
For the more spiritual approach, where you can read about the teachings and also learn about the physical exercises, there's https://en.falundafa.org . Under "books and writings", you can download every teaching, lecture and also of course the main book, "Zhuan Falun".
The Book Zhuan Falun is basically the core of the teachings. Every other material, lecture, text, scripture, only further expands and explains what is explained in Zhuan Falun. The Book itself is a summary of the Teachings Li Hongzhi gave back in 94 to 96 in China (edit: sorry, wrong time. Correct timespan was 92 to 94), where he was holding large seminars to spread the practice and explain the teachings to the people. There are also audio- and video-recordings of the Lectures, with dubs in several languages.
There's also the Book "Falun Gong" - it was one of the first Falun Gong books published in China, even before "Zhuan Falun", and it doesn't go as deep into the teachings as Zhuan Falun, but the Falun Gong exercises are explained in that book.
If you can only read one material, Zhuan Falun is the main book and contains everything about the teachings of Li Hongzhi.
For easier reference, here is the list of books and teachings:
Zhuan Falun has been translated several times. Chinese is very nuanced (I unfortunately don't speak it myself), so different translations help to better grasp the meanings of the words. For a start, I recommend the latest translation, last upated July 31, 2019, as it might be easier understand for a western mindset. All the translations are valid though and have been checked and re-checked to make sure the original meaning of the text is not altered or warped in any form.
For Video, you can find the recording of a 9-Day seminar, held in the city of Guangzhou, under this link: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-video-audio-9session.html (you can also download the mp3 audio of this seminar on that page.). There is also a learning video for the 5 Falun Gong exercises.
Take care and take your time, and as mentioned, I'm here if you need me to discuss things and give my point of view/understanding.
My guess is, there is a high probabilty that yes, Xi might have been involved. But I have to admit, my knowledge of chinese politics isn't too deep or too thorough, and chinese politics is also very complicated.
IIRC, the CCP isn't as unifiyed as it may appear, and there are several factions in chinese politics. Jiang belonged to the "shanghai faction" and Xi to another... And they were (are?) pretty much at internal "war". I guess it's like US politics, but on stereoids.
And yeah, that's where my knowledge about it ends, so I'd rather not write more about it, as it would be unfounded.
IIRC, the CCP isn't as unifiyed as it may appear, and there are several factions in chinese politics. Jiang belonged to the "shanghai faction" and Xi to another... And they were (are?) pretty much at internal "war". I guess it's like US politics, but on stereoids.
Thanks for this. It confirms my own research that showed that the Shanghai faction was the Rockefeller-Soros backed and was supposed to be the transfer point for the Cabal financial system once the US was collapsed. This is why so many high tech companies got started in China, with so many tech billionnaires. They were all holding vessels for the Cabal wealth as the transfer was supposed to happen.
Xi faction, used by the WHs in the typical reverse-divide and conquer against the Cabal, was used to bring down this faction. I think Xi himself was much like Putin and Kim Jong Un - very much controlled by the proxies of other factions of the Cabal and Trump helped take down all these - Sanctions against Russia, Covert operations with NK and Tarrifs against Xi (Since China is essentially the financial and digital base for the NWO)
So far, what I am gathering about Falun Dafa is that its a reteaching of Quigong - which the spiritual practice of breathing techniques necessary for meditation and spiritual enlightenment, based from the teachings of Buddhism, which in itself is very closely related to the Pranayama in Hinduism which is also about attaining salvation through breathing meditation.
How would you rate this characterization of Li Hongzhi?
Li Hongzhi created a program that promises practitioners that they will have perfect health and supernatural powers quickly and easily.
BTW, there is very little in terms of background of Li Hongzhi. To be able to reeally teach the true spiritual aspects of Qigong, one would expect a student of a great master who practiced it for many decades. Somehow Li Hongzhi does not strike to be someone like that with my limited digging.
As for the political side, it looks like at least after 2000 it was captured by the CIA.
The Friends of Falun Gong - the organisation created by the "western friends" of the Falun Gong to help with their democracy activism etc, is the main funding source for Falun Gong and its organizations.
FoFG was founded by Mark Palmer who is also one of the founders of NED (National Endowment of Democracy). Public information and even information on their own website establishes that NED has been funding "democracy movements" around the world that leads to regime changes. Starting with Balkanisation of Yugaslovia, all the way even to the Maidan revolution which was a CIA coup in Ukraine. NED is the private arm of CIA via congressional funding to openly fund color revolutions. To put it mildly, NED is one of the cutouts for CIA for color revolutions.
There is definitely no doubt in my mind that atleast since 2000 Falun Gong has been subverted by the CIA as one of their arms of controlling China.
Li Hongzhi has all the hallmarks of a CIA character - much like Obama or Osama bin Laden, or Khomeini - suddenly comes out of nowhere, becomes hugely popular and generates a large following and causes huge controversies for the government in their country.
Timeline:
1989: Tianmen square - first color revolution attempt by CIA that failed
1992: Li Hongzhi starts teaching Falun Gong
1996: Falun Gong banned, Li Hongzhi moves to US.
2000: FoFG created to use CIA cutouts to fund Falun Gong and their organizations
Conclusion: Pretty good chance that Falun Gong originated as a fringe CIA project in 1992 that picked up so much steam that it was officially funded in 2000.
None of this however invalidates the core teachings of Qigong if one is purely interested in spiritual betterment.
None of this also means CCP is good or anything like that. Simple different poles of the same Hegelian dialectic.
Thanks for the information. I will definitely add Li Hongzi, Falun Gong and Jiang Zemin to my "to dig" list. If I remember correctly, Jiang Zemin died recently, which was considered notable by some Anons.
On a different note, what is your opinion on the idea that keeps getting pushed on the social media lately that a lot of average Chinese are actually happy with the current system, where if they dont try to mess with the system, they can actually lead a good life, and so they are happy with the CCP ?
If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference, https://en.minghui.org is the site I mentioned earlier in a post. And - I don‘t think I have to mention this specifically - be aware, there is a lot of misinformation out there. It‘s important to really know the source - what Falun Gong and Li Hongzhi really teaches - to be able to discern what is true and what not. The CCP - and probably other entities - has done enormous work to distort and defame the movement. I‘m here if you have any questions and want to hear my opinion on it.
And jiang zemin… yeah, his dead was notable, because he was probably the most evil clown that ever contaminated the earth. And I mean it. Seriously, that… thing… was evil. Incredibly stupid and incredibly evil. With wide repercussions of his deeds for the whole world.
And the social media push… honestly? It‘s most probably the Wumao at work, and manufactured consent. There‘s also a Great Awakening happening in mainland china - more and more people are awake to what the CCP is, and IMO the social Media push is a way of the CCP in trying to counter that.
On the other hand, China has fully implemented the Social Credit system, and playing the system by the people could also be a part of that phenomenon.
But I really don‘t think that the people honestly are happy with the CCP.
Edit: The book „Nine Commentaries on the communist party“ sums it pretty much up why I believe that the people are not really happy about the party. http://www.ninecommentaries.com/
Yes, thats how I always like to start my digs. I started reading Bible after finding Q to learn about Christianity and I read the Pfizer clinical study to really confirm that vaccines were neither effective, nor safe nor necessary. Source material is the best place to start for everything !
Will take a while since I still have a lot of Bible to go through, and in addition I have a huge backlog of reading material, but this is interesting so I will find time.
So on that site, what would be the base teachings / reference material? The look of the site is a bit disconcerting because it looks more like a political movement than a spiritual movement. What is the "bible" or the "scriptures" equivalent for FG ?
Also, do you think Xi played a role in Jiang's downfall?
The minghui site is indeed more the "activist" site - it's main purpose is a little bit that of an "Info-Hub" for both practitioners as well as people interested in the happenings around the practice and the persecution. Yes, it has a political appereance, but I don't consider it political, as its "political purpose" is shedding light on the still ongoing persecution and ways on how to counter it. In my understanding, it's "political" in the sense that it raises awareness about the human rights situation of the persecution. I mean, the persecution of the CCP is basically denying the right to exist to people in china who practice FG - and the persecution is deeply rooted in the CCP-culture. I have come to the conclusion, that the persecution cannot be ended anymore without ending the rule of the CCP itself. In my understanding, it isn't about political power, but simply being able to live life. Unfortunately, the CCP denies people (not only Falun Gong practitioners) to be able to just live.
For the more spiritual approach, where you can read about the teachings and also learn about the physical exercises, there's https://en.falundafa.org . Under "books and writings", you can download every teaching, lecture and also of course the main book, "Zhuan Falun".
The Book Zhuan Falun is basically the core of the teachings. Every other material, lecture, text, scripture, only further expands and explains what is explained in Zhuan Falun. The Book itself is a summary of the Teachings Li Hongzhi gave back in 94 to 96 in China (edit: sorry, wrong time. Correct timespan was 92 to 94), where he was holding large seminars to spread the practice and explain the teachings to the people. There are also audio- and video-recordings of the Lectures, with dubs in several languages.
There's also the Book "Falun Gong" - it was one of the first Falun Gong books published in China, even before "Zhuan Falun", and it doesn't go as deep into the teachings as Zhuan Falun, but the Falun Gong exercises are explained in that book.
If you can only read one material, Zhuan Falun is the main book and contains everything about the teachings of Li Hongzhi.
For easier reference, here is the list of books and teachings:
https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-books.html?v=bks04
Zhuan Falun has been translated several times. Chinese is very nuanced (I unfortunately don't speak it myself), so different translations help to better grasp the meanings of the words. For a start, I recommend the latest translation, last upated July 31, 2019, as it might be easier understand for a western mindset. All the translations are valid though and have been checked and re-checked to make sure the original meaning of the text is not altered or warped in any form.
For Video, you can find the recording of a 9-Day seminar, held in the city of Guangzhou, under this link: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-video-audio-9session.html (you can also download the mp3 audio of this seminar on that page.). There is also a learning video for the 5 Falun Gong exercises.
Take care and take your time, and as mentioned, I'm here if you need me to discuss things and give my point of view/understanding.
Forgot your last question about Xi and Jiang.
My guess is, there is a high probabilty that yes, Xi might have been involved. But I have to admit, my knowledge of chinese politics isn't too deep or too thorough, and chinese politics is also very complicated.
IIRC, the CCP isn't as unifiyed as it may appear, and there are several factions in chinese politics. Jiang belonged to the "shanghai faction" and Xi to another... And they were (are?) pretty much at internal "war". I guess it's like US politics, but on stereoids.
And yeah, that's where my knowledge about it ends, so I'd rather not write more about it, as it would be unfounded.
Thanks for this. It confirms my own research that showed that the Shanghai faction was the Rockefeller-Soros backed and was supposed to be the transfer point for the Cabal financial system once the US was collapsed. This is why so many high tech companies got started in China, with so many tech billionnaires. They were all holding vessels for the Cabal wealth as the transfer was supposed to happen.
Xi faction, used by the WHs in the typical reverse-divide and conquer against the Cabal, was used to bring down this faction. I think Xi himself was much like Putin and Kim Jong Un - very much controlled by the proxies of other factions of the Cabal and Trump helped take down all these - Sanctions against Russia, Covert operations with NK and Tarrifs against Xi (Since China is essentially the financial and digital base for the NWO)
So far, what I am gathering about Falun Dafa is that its a reteaching of Quigong - which the spiritual practice of breathing techniques necessary for meditation and spiritual enlightenment, based from the teachings of Buddhism, which in itself is very closely related to the Pranayama in Hinduism which is also about attaining salvation through breathing meditation.
How would you rate this characterization of Li Hongzhi?
BTW, there is very little in terms of background of Li Hongzhi. To be able to reeally teach the true spiritual aspects of Qigong, one would expect a student of a great master who practiced it for many decades. Somehow Li Hongzhi does not strike to be someone like that with my limited digging.
As for the political side, it looks like at least after 2000 it was captured by the CIA. The Friends of Falun Gong - the organisation created by the "western friends" of the Falun Gong to help with their democracy activism etc, is the main funding source for Falun Gong and its organizations.
FoFG was founded by Mark Palmer who is also one of the founders of NED (National Endowment of Democracy). Public information and even information on their own website establishes that NED has been funding "democracy movements" around the world that leads to regime changes. Starting with Balkanisation of Yugaslovia, all the way even to the Maidan revolution which was a CIA coup in Ukraine. NED is the private arm of CIA via congressional funding to openly fund color revolutions. To put it mildly, NED is one of the cutouts for CIA for color revolutions.
There is definitely no doubt in my mind that atleast since 2000 Falun Gong has been subverted by the CIA as one of their arms of controlling China.
Li Hongzhi has all the hallmarks of a CIA character - much like Obama or Osama bin Laden, or Khomeini - suddenly comes out of nowhere, becomes hugely popular and generates a large following and causes huge controversies for the government in their country.
Timeline:
1989: Tianmen square - first color revolution attempt by CIA that failed
1992: Li Hongzhi starts teaching Falun Gong
1996: Falun Gong banned, Li Hongzhi moves to US.
2000: FoFG created to use CIA cutouts to fund Falun Gong and their organizations
Conclusion: Pretty good chance that Falun Gong originated as a fringe CIA project in 1992 that picked up so much steam that it was officially funded in 2000.
None of this however invalidates the core teachings of Qigong if one is purely interested in spiritual betterment.
None of this also means CCP is good or anything like that. Simple different poles of the same Hegelian dialectic.