Please reply if you've voted.
I'll start. I voted- Got my parents to vote as well. Talking to others to pressure them to save the country.
Cannot let off of the gas. If you haven't done it, please go and do it now if you still have early voting. Bring friends and family. Every one of these counts.
We can't gamble on election day. They're going to do something.
God bless you all. We're in the home stretch!
I would add another take to patriotic_legend, which is that if someone’s brain is deteriorating due to poor judgment, they maybe shouldn’t continue to have their judgment honored and imposed on the rest of us.
Your honor in the matter is respected. Don’t cheat, and don’t break the law, but also don’t go out of your way to publish his voice if he’s seeking to destroy your and our inheritance in the 24th hour.
The vote is fundamentally about selecting good and wise stewards of freedom, how can a man whose mind doesn’t allow him to care for himself do such a thing. Do we truly want the overflow of that cup poured out on society?
Is it more honoring of him to add his dementia to the rule society, or to show that his heirs were raised in such an upstanding manner as to gently and kindly refuse to contribute to it?
I.e. don’t submit his vote regardless of how he votes, because his mind isn’t there to make a sound decision. If you want to talk him into seeing the light, do it for your own peace of mind, or better, seek for his.
Frankly, it probably isn’t immoral of you to claim his voice as a living inheritance and fill it out as you see fit. In war, and we are at war, there is nothing immoral about meeting the enemy with equal force, or even greater force, and they are ballot harvesting, and from people they have no morally justifiable reason to do so from, aside from “I can, therefore I will”. I would not do this myself, as the means are the ends, and I don’t like that particular game (their justification for all their actions is that they’re always at war with us, so anything goes, all the time. Screw that.), but it doesn’t strike me as immoral. Would also definitely be sure to check the election laws first to make sure it’s not illegal.
This said, I have no issue whatsoever with my first suggestion, which is likely what I would do. It seems quite reasonable to assert that people who are not of sound mind should not be able to vote, and I think that was even a requirement for voting at one point.
These sort of choices aren’t necessarily easy, use your own discernment.
Today I asked him again. He said he is still thinking. I told him I can write in anything so if he chooses to not vote, atleast his ballot won't be stolen from him and given to harris. I offered a write-in of me to lock away his ballot from being available for theft.
I understand your comment, but if you have taken legal guardianship, it is then your duty to act in his best interests. You can sign contracts for him in his interest. Which would mean you are making his decisions for him, so then why not decide who he votes for, for him.
That being said, the scenario I bring up is rare. If you do not have guardianship and you feel that your parent is incapable of understanding the political landscape, it is likely best to not help him vote no matter who he supports.
I did not take legal guardianship. I think I will just "write-in" his dogs name or my name so his ballot won't be stolen by dems. Basically kill the option. Your right. If he can't make his own choices it's better to not let him make one for me
that sounds like an interesting idea, or don't vote and look up his record after the fact, document not voting somehow and then you have a voter fraud case if someone votes.
That is a better idea. I will hold on to his mail in ballot.
Yes, as noted, it seems morally justifiable. I did make some edits you might want to check out. Not sure if before or after this response, or if you saw them.
My personal best path for where we should want to get back to is that mentally unsound people are not allowed to participate in selecting honest, wise public servants, and no proxy voting.
I’d likely pick the best path up front, rather than perpetuating the war.
I think your logic makes perfect sense, I think there was some ruling from the ADA to protect disability vote. But that is a 3 letter agency making law, which should be illegal.
I have a special needs son, who I will be guardian over when he turns 18. Not for 2 years, but this is all food for thought. Do I do the upstanding moral thing knowing that others out their do not and are casting votes for their wards, or do I say when in Rome and vote for him.
I think the proper moral stance would be not voting for him even though the rest of the world is doing immoral things.
I’m hoping we get to a point where we are electing people who can wisely get things done that are in everyones’ interests again, to where we are more electing people who can come up with wise strategies to judiciously collect requests of his precinct, devise plans and seek final approvals and corrections, and not leverage the office for personal gain. The people in the offices should likely stop being a separate career class of employees. Etc. Maybe public projects even start having to do voluntary fundraising in order to get capitalized, rather than just having funds available as fixed budget.
To where government is much more literally “of” “by” and “for” the people that is more able to be held accountable, rather than a separate class who is largely above the law.
“Voting” becomes both much less important and much more important in that situation. You REALLY need to select capable people at that point, but you also aren’t being forced to constantly fight to attain the office to maybe try and implement some of a group of predefined policies that only half the population wants.