An expert who has spoken to BBC Verify has cast doubt on Ukraine's claim that Russia has carried out a strike on the central city of Dnipro with an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).
Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, suggested that the US would have detected the launch of an ICBM by the Russian military.
"Typically, ICBMs do not have conventional warheads. If one were launched out of an operational silo, the United States would have gone on alert fearing it was a nuclear attack," Cancian said.
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It is believed that six RS-26 missile strikes completely destroyed the Yuzhmash defense plant, where the damaged American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and German Leopard tanks were being repaired.
At the same time of the main attack, Kinzhal missiles hit the local Patriot air defense system battery.
The Kinzhal are the hypersonic missiles I believe. They probably wanted to test them against the patriots to see if the patriots can stop them. If they can't then that could open the playback significantly.
Maybe we have other missile defense systems, but the Patriot is one of the more well known systems.
Test them against patriots? No, they have been tested already, they are designed, among other things, to DESTROY patriots.
Patriots cannot intercept hypersonic khinzals which have a vertical terminal phase. There is at least a 30 year technological difference between the two, and the patriot system was not great even when it was introduced. Remember 1991 and Saddam's scuds?
No, what happened was that patriots are still able to intercept the Sarmats (the 'ICBM'), so the khinzals were sent to destroy the patriots, and then the Sarmats did the bigger booms.
In older days we called this SEAD. But now you don't need aircraft to do it.
Yes that's true. Patriots in theory cannot intercept the Sarmat. But I guess the Russians wanted to make a point (NATO, your AD sucks), and also wanted to be damn sure the Sarmat hit.
Incidentally I read somewhere that it was a newer version of Sarmat. MIRV, 6x6. That's a lot of stuff coming at you.
It wasn't a Sarmat at all. What you read is wrong, though the Sarmat can be equipped with hypersonic penetrators. The Russian code name for what they shot is "Oreshnik" and it was an intermediate-range ballistic missile. Patriots are not designed to intercept these things, though they might try. The more appropriate defense system would be THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense).
We graduate 100s of lawyers, realtors, political scientists, womens studies, and all other FIRE economy trash degrees for every one engineer.
And that one engineer goes to work for a hedge fund because there is no actual engineering to do in this country anymore (besides construction, that part is going well).
Look at the elementary math curriculum. Then look at the ones the Russians have. 10+ years of difference.
Attempts to close the intellectual gap were made with immigration (the legal kind), so this is why you see so many indians/chinese in universities. But they are woefully short because there is also a lack of CULTURAL BINDING among them (i.e. they're in it for the money).
On top of that, Russians were always good at math & engineering AND they had advanced missile technology programs even back in the Soviet days. They just decided to use their (significantly less) resources in efficient weapons systems.
Meanwhile, we build billion dollar aircraft carriers to go bomb the next iteration of Saddam. And those carriers will get sunk with a salvo of ~20 hypersonics which cost a fraction of the price of the carrier.
This is what happens when you let a satanic cabal, and the middle managers of Wall st & Mckinzey run your country. They run it, to the ground.
This, got an engineering degree, but the fracking boom had ended by the time I graduated, so had to take a technician role to find work at all. Luckily in a role now where I can solve problems in a factory, but still not an official engineering position.
UPDATE: US official disputes Ukraine's claim that Russia used intercontinental ballistic missile
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The Kinzhal are the hypersonic missiles I believe. They probably wanted to test them against the patriots to see if the patriots can stop them. If they can't then that could open the playback significantly.
Maybe we have other missile defense systems, but the Patriot is one of the more well known systems.
Another video of the heavenly punishment that befell the Yuzhmash plant in Dnepropetrovsk.
Test them against patriots? No, they have been tested already, they are designed, among other things, to DESTROY patriots.
Patriots cannot intercept hypersonic khinzals which have a vertical terminal phase. There is at least a 30 year technological difference between the two, and the patriot system was not great even when it was introduced. Remember 1991 and Saddam's scuds?
No, what happened was that patriots are still able to intercept the Sarmats (the 'ICBM'), so the khinzals were sent to destroy the patriots, and then the Sarmats did the bigger booms.
In older days we called this SEAD. But now you don't need aircraft to do it.
Patriots have never been able to intercept RS-28 "Sarmats". That is a full-fledged ICBM and has a terminal velocity much higher than Mach 10.
Yes that's true. Patriots in theory cannot intercept the Sarmat. But I guess the Russians wanted to make a point (NATO, your AD sucks), and also wanted to be damn sure the Sarmat hit.
Incidentally I read somewhere that it was a newer version of Sarmat. MIRV, 6x6. That's a lot of stuff coming at you.
It wasn't a Sarmat at all. What you read is wrong, though the Sarmat can be equipped with hypersonic penetrators. The Russian code name for what they shot is "Oreshnik" and it was an intermediate-range ballistic missile. Patriots are not designed to intercept these things, though they might try. The more appropriate defense system would be THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense).
Thanks for the details on that.
It's a shame we are so far behind on hypersonic missiles. Why do you think that is? We spend so much money on the military and we can't even keep up?
We graduate 100s of lawyers, realtors, political scientists, womens studies, and all other FIRE economy trash degrees for every one engineer.
And that one engineer goes to work for a hedge fund because there is no actual engineering to do in this country anymore (besides construction, that part is going well).
Look at the elementary math curriculum. Then look at the ones the Russians have. 10+ years of difference.
Attempts to close the intellectual gap were made with immigration (the legal kind), so this is why you see so many indians/chinese in universities. But they are woefully short because there is also a lack of CULTURAL BINDING among them (i.e. they're in it for the money).
On top of that, Russians were always good at math & engineering AND they had advanced missile technology programs even back in the Soviet days. They just decided to use their (significantly less) resources in efficient weapons systems.
Meanwhile, we build billion dollar aircraft carriers to go bomb the next iteration of Saddam. And those carriers will get sunk with a salvo of ~20 hypersonics which cost a fraction of the price of the carrier.
This is what happens when you let a satanic cabal, and the middle managers of Wall st & Mckinzey run your country. They run it, to the ground.
The indians are incapable of doing anything.
This, got an engineering degree, but the fracking boom had ended by the time I graduated, so had to take a technician role to find work at all. Luckily in a role now where I can solve problems in a factory, but still not an official engineering position.