Yep, using an ICBM was overkill for delivering anything to the country next door, but the acronym ICBM conjurers up all manner of nuclear nightmares in the mind of the listener.
I think we will find out at some point that Putin picked up the phone and notified us this was coming. In fact I would bet he either called Trump and had him relay the message, or he had a conference call with the current administration and Trump so they couldn't lie about Putin giving a warning. I'm leaning to #2.
Also that tweet thread is noxious. All of the Russia, Russia, Russia people came out of the woodwork. I get that the chosen missile is used for nuclear purposes, so when NORAD sees one go airborne then all of the protocols start and things happen that are almost (if not entirely) impossible to stop.
I see no way that Putin would launch one of those missiles without warning us and NATO. Otherwise the nukes would be flying back at him from all angles. That's a big part of why both sides know the nuclear missiles the other side uses.
Maybe he warned us on the call that the next time we launch our missiles from Ukraine against Russia, the next missile won't carry a warning but it will carry a payload.
Of all the leading death vectors in vogue over recent years - pathogenic, psychogenic, iatrogenic - I’m with nukes being the fictitious mother of all fear-based traumagenic psyops.
Long before I heard of Hiroshima Revisited, I’d already endured the comedy drills of hiding under nuclear bomb-proof desks at school in the 80s in between grim PSAs about AIDS, holes in the ozone layer, the end of oil etc so trauma fatigue had kicked in before I was even out of my teens.
Has the ability to create materials that produce large explosions been achieved? Certainly. My own father witnessed the tests in the 60s.
Has the ability to create combustion rocket technology that can travel at hypersonic speeds over vast distances? Sure. Even allegedly beyond the earth’s atmosphere.
Have these abilities been systemized, stabilized and weaponized into “payloads” that form “nuclear warheads” on “inter-continental” devices? Not buying it. When a psyop can be made to more easily manufacture belief and be mythologized in popular culture than be actually true, we can be sure there are clandestine organisations that will deliver desired narratives..
By the way - you left out Acid Rain. That was another nutty leftist thing around the time as the hole in the ozone layer.
Seriously though - there was video from this launch showing the (non-nuclear) warheads hitting. Now I don't know how many nuclear warheads can be in one of these IRBMs because they are smaller than ICBMs I've heard this one can carry 16 with MIRVs but who knows. Maybe only a couple or a few with higher yields can be placed in IRBMs, although this missile contained MIRVs so it likely had more. Judging by the videos there were at least 12.
The warheads are just small nuclear missiles that have targets programmed into them and are released from the main missile at altitude. Kind of like SpaceX releasing dozens of their satellites for StarLink.
These are real and it isn't even hard to believe. They are basically tactical nuclear missiles loaded on top of a rocket. I think they are much better than a high-yield warhead that just wipes out everything around. These things can have much smaller yields (down to .01 megatons) so the radiation would be contained to a small area. They can also have higher yields, though not as high as a single high-yield warhead.
Here is a good writeup on MIRVs from GWU. Wikipedia has one as well. The one on Wikipedia shows a US Peacekeeper ICBM with MIRVs. To me it reminds me of those square fireworks that have rows of whistling bottle rockets.
I overlooked your tone of condescension, and the comedy of using social media and Wikipedia links to back up that condescension.
Any source with .edu, .gov or .mil in a URL is even more suspect. This is not a popular position, since it requires a lifetime of learned and lived exposure to, observation of and acceptance of such vastly, systemically corrupt, conspiratorial and clandestine institutional assaults against the world that most well meaning people are simply incapable or unwilling to acknowledge let alone escape their programming.
As luck would have it, a substacker wrote today about Hiroshima Revisited and I was reminded of our exchange.
Seemed like great restraint from Putin. No explosives, no nuclear, and confined to one area. They still did damage, just like the "Rods From God" would do.
"......This payload is exclusively associated with nuclear-capable missiles."
Yep, using an ICBM was overkill for delivering anything to the country next door, but the acronym ICBM conjurers up all manner of nuclear nightmares in the mind of the listener.
I think we will find out at some point that Putin picked up the phone and notified us this was coming. In fact I would bet he either called Trump and had him relay the message, or he had a conference call with the current administration and Trump so they couldn't lie about Putin giving a warning. I'm leaning to #2.
Also that tweet thread is noxious. All of the Russia, Russia, Russia people came out of the woodwork. I get that the chosen missile is used for nuclear purposes, so when NORAD sees one go airborne then all of the protocols start and things happen that are almost (if not entirely) impossible to stop.
I see no way that Putin would launch one of those missiles without warning us and NATO. Otherwise the nukes would be flying back at him from all angles. That's a big part of why both sides know the nuclear missiles the other side uses.
Maybe he warned us on the call that the next time we launch our missiles from Ukraine against Russia, the next missile won't carry a warning but it will carry a payload.
So right. An ICBM was not needed to deliver anything to the country next door, except for maybe a message.
Nah. Not buying it.
Of all the leading death vectors in vogue over recent years - pathogenic, psychogenic, iatrogenic - I’m with nukes being the fictitious mother of all fear-based traumagenic psyops.
Long before I heard of Hiroshima Revisited, I’d already endured the comedy drills of hiding under nuclear bomb-proof desks at school in the 80s in between grim PSAs about AIDS, holes in the ozone layer, the end of oil etc so trauma fatigue had kicked in before I was even out of my teens.
Has the ability to create materials that produce large explosions been achieved? Certainly. My own father witnessed the tests in the 60s.
Has the ability to create combustion rocket technology that can travel at hypersonic speeds over vast distances? Sure. Even allegedly beyond the earth’s atmosphere.
Have these abilities been systemized, stabilized and weaponized into “payloads” that form “nuclear warheads” on “inter-continental” devices? Not buying it. When a psyop can be made to more easily manufacture belief and be mythologized in popular culture than be actually true, we can be sure there are clandestine organisations that will deliver desired narratives..
As we Texans say - Bless your heart.
By the way - you left out Acid Rain. That was another nutty leftist thing around the time as the hole in the ozone layer.
Seriously though - there was video from this launch showing the (non-nuclear) warheads hitting. Now I don't know how many nuclear warheads can be in one of these IRBMs because they are smaller than ICBMs I've heard this one can carry 16 with MIRVs but who knows. Maybe only a couple or a few with higher yields can be placed in IRBMs, although this missile contained MIRVs so it likely had more. Judging by the videos there were at least 12.
https://x.com/search?q=russian%20irbm&src=typed_query
The warheads are just small nuclear missiles that have targets programmed into them and are released from the main missile at altitude. Kind of like SpaceX releasing dozens of their satellites for StarLink.
These are real and it isn't even hard to believe. They are basically tactical nuclear missiles loaded on top of a rocket. I think they are much better than a high-yield warhead that just wipes out everything around. These things can have much smaller yields (down to .01 megatons) so the radiation would be contained to a small area. They can also have higher yields, though not as high as a single high-yield warhead.
Here is a good writeup on MIRVs from GWU. Wikipedia has one as well. The one on Wikipedia shows a US Peacekeeper ICBM with MIRVs. To me it reminds me of those square fireworks that have rows of whistling bottle rockets.
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/NC/mirv/mirv.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_independently_targetable_reentry_vehicle
I overlooked your tone of condescension, and the comedy of using social media and Wikipedia links to back up that condescension.
Any source with .edu, .gov or .mil in a URL is even more suspect. This is not a popular position, since it requires a lifetime of learned and lived exposure to, observation of and acceptance of such vastly, systemically corrupt, conspiratorial and clandestine institutional assaults against the world that most well meaning people are simply incapable or unwilling to acknowledge let alone escape their programming.
As luck would have it, a substacker wrote today about Hiroshima Revisited and I was reminded of our exchange.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thedukereport/p/exposing-the-real-story-of-hiroshima?r=pezuu&utm_medium=ios
Comms, comms…everything is comms.
It dropped its little presents really close together 🤣
Seemed like great restraint from Putin. No explosives, no nuclear, and confined to one area. They still did damage, just like the "Rods From God" would do.