So, if you've been a Christian all of your life, and you have a deep respect for God's Chosen People, how would you be able to process this information, which I truly want to believe is truth? It is a perpetual game of 'hot potato' between two 'truths' that seemingly cannot exist simultaneously. We need to talk about this.
The people of God are Israel, but they are not numbered by physical descent. As John the Baptist warned the Pharisees (Mathew 3:9):
and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’ for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
Also Paul's writings in Roman's and Hebrews.
Those of spiritual Israel are of the same order as Melchizedek, to whom Abram gave a tithe.
Unfortunately many American Christians have fallen for religious psyops. Many lies were introduced by the Scofield Reference Bible (1830). I'm ashamed to say that for about 20 years I fell for the dispensationalist lies. But a serious study of God's Word cured me of that deception.
The Apostle Paul, in the New Testament states/defines for us who God's chosen people are. It's all those who are "in Christ". "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light" - (1 Peter 2:9).
It's an important and critical topic, imo. So I recommend you consider (think about, reflect on, pray) the following
So much hinges on historical Christian belief. But
Jesus explained that he had many things to say, but could not because his disciples were not ready or could not digest them...
Paul explained that "now we see dimly, as through a dark glass, THEN we shall know even as we known" - that his own understanding and perception of God and Jesus was limited
A core belief that has been carried until today is that Christ came to die on the cross. But what if his true purpose was to live, be accepted, and teach?
Jesus explained "all the prophets prophesied until John..." indicating that all prophecies in the OT were ONLY about the times up until John's time (advent of the messiah).
Two types of prophecy were given about the coming Messiah.
A. that he would be the king of glory, sit on David's thrown, and that "his kingdom would not end"
B. that he would be rejected, persecuted and be the king of suffering
Why? because which way things went would depend on whether the Israelites fulfilled their responsibility to unite with God's purpose
Prophet Samuel explains "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice"
if the people were to obey, then sacrifice would not be necessary. If they disobeyed, then sacrifice becomes necessary to rectify
For 2 years of Jesus ministry, he taught that the Kingdom was at hand, and that the people should receive him. Only after the MT of transfiguration did he begin to talk of death and suffering.
Does it make sense that Jesus first priority mission, the reason God sent him, was for the people of Israel to receive him, lift him up, and in unite with him?
Yes. But if they failed to fulfill, as they often did during the 2000 years from Abraham onwards, then a sacrifice would be necessary, and that would mean Jesus would have to suffer.
There are many indicators in the scripture that Jesus wanted people to believe in him. He never once said, "please reject me and crucify me, because that will fulfill God's will".
how does this relate to your question?
God chose the decedents of Abraham as his one chosen people on earth to send the Messiah to, and prepared them to be righteous and receive him. But always humans have their own responsibility, to unite with God's wishes. If they fail, they unite with Satan.
Parable of the vineyard - shows that Israel lost the blessing as chosen people when they rejected Jesus.
Who are the new chosen people? Christians. Christians are the 2nd israel, spread worldwide (not just one nation). But Jesus also warned that when he returns, Christians might also make the same mistake as the Jews: persecute and reject him. "Begone from me you evil doers"
How is this possible? Only if Christ returns as a man to complete the original mission, to be received, to complete the full mission. Jesus sacrifice opened the way for spiritual salvation through faith, but our flesh is still under Satanic dominion. (Paul - wretched and that I am! Mind - I serve God, but flesh, I serve evil)
Christ returns to complete all salvation, in flesh as well in spirit. So he must return as a man, not as a supernatural phenomena. We already have the example of a "return" or second coming in scripture. John the Baptist was the second coming of Elijah. Jesus himself told his disciples this.
Does this mean reincarnation is real? No. It means that Elijah in the spirit was working with and through John Baptist to complete his mission, the mission of "making straight the way of the Lord" i.e preparing Israel to receive (and not reject) the messiah.
But John never followed Jesus. In the end, he actually doubted him. John failed in this mission.
The important point is, the Israelites lost God's blessing as the chosen people when they rejected Jesus and forced him to take the way of the cross to atone for their sin of rejection. Through that sacrifice, Jesus opened the door to spiritual salvation. But remember, Jesus could forgive sins before the cross.
Thank you for your reply. It is staggering to witness the harsh realities of modern-day Israel, a nation whose actions often appear deeply troubling. Even Netanyahu carries a demeanor that, to me, seems almost demonic. While the attack they suffered was undeniably tragic, their response against the Palestinian people—inflicting so much suffering on countless families—is utterly disproportionate and, frankly, unconscionable.
The Bible tells us that in the last days, the entire world will stand against Israel. Yet, as I reflect on this, I’m struck by how my own understanding of such prophetic truths has been clouded over the years. Having been involved in far too many churches, I failed to take responsibility for my own spiritual growth. Instead of diligently searching for the Truth through His Word, I allowed myself to absorb a confusing patchwork of doctrines and teachings—what I now see as a “word salad” of misunderstandings developed over 55 years. This confusion was further compounded by the countless pharmaceuticals prescribed to me by the VA.
As someone who is 100% service-connected disabled due to gross incompetence by the US Navy in the 1980s, my life has felt like a slow-motion train wreck since 1984. I know there are others out there like me—people who love and believe wholeheartedly in Jesus Christ but struggle to connect the dots, hindered by our own limited cognitive, mental, emotional, and spiritual abilities. It’s a battle, but one I am determined to fight with God’s guidance and grace. I will study further into your response, I believe it has merit. God Speed.
So, if you've been a Christian all of your life, and you have a deep respect for God's Chosen People, how would you be able to process this information, which I truly want to believe is truth? It is a perpetual game of 'hot potato' between two 'truths' that seemingly cannot exist simultaneously. We need to talk about this.
Them calling themselves the Chosen People always rubbed me wrong and sowed doubts in my mind about their historical claims.
It's really a matter of stolen identity.....
That's why they're called Name Stealers.
They are not “God’s Chosen” any more than Mohammad was a legitimate prophet.
The people of God are Israel, but they are not numbered by physical descent. As John the Baptist warned the Pharisees (Mathew 3:9):
and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’ for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
Also Paul's writings in Roman's and Hebrews.
Those of spiritual Israel are of the same order as Melchizedek, to whom Abram gave a tithe.
Ah yes, according to Israeli psyops, which you're a victim of.
I have news for you: https://communities.win/p/199hgfeqji
Thanks for the link! Very concise summary!
Unfortunately many American Christians have fallen for religious psyops. Many lies were introduced by the Scofield Reference Bible (1830). I'm ashamed to say that for about 20 years I fell for the dispensationalist lies. But a serious study of God's Word cured me of that deception.
The Apostle Paul, in the New Testament states/defines for us who God's chosen people are. It's all those who are "in Christ". "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light" - (1 Peter 2:9).
It's an important and critical topic, imo. So I recommend you consider (think about, reflect on, pray) the following
So much hinges on historical Christian belief. But
Jesus explained that he had many things to say, but could not because his disciples were not ready or could not digest them...
Paul explained that "now we see dimly, as through a dark glass, THEN we shall know even as we known" - that his own understanding and perception of God and Jesus was limited
A core belief that has been carried until today is that Christ came to die on the cross. But what if his true purpose was to live, be accepted, and teach?
Jesus explained "all the prophets prophesied until John..." indicating that all prophecies in the OT were ONLY about the times up until John's time (advent of the messiah).
Two types of prophecy were given about the coming Messiah.
A. that he would be the king of glory, sit on David's thrown, and that "his kingdom would not end"
B. that he would be rejected, persecuted and be the king of suffering
Why? because which way things went would depend on whether the Israelites fulfilled their responsibility to unite with God's purpose
Prophet Samuel explains "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice"
if the people were to obey, then sacrifice would not be necessary. If they disobeyed, then sacrifice becomes necessary to rectify
For 2 years of Jesus ministry, he taught that the Kingdom was at hand, and that the people should receive him. Only after the MT of transfiguration did he begin to talk of death and suffering.
Does it make sense that Jesus first priority mission, the reason God sent him, was for the people of Israel to receive him, lift him up, and in unite with him?
Yes. But if they failed to fulfill, as they often did during the 2000 years from Abraham onwards, then a sacrifice would be necessary, and that would mean Jesus would have to suffer.
There are many indicators in the scripture that Jesus wanted people to believe in him. He never once said, "please reject me and crucify me, because that will fulfill God's will".
how does this relate to your question?
God chose the decedents of Abraham as his one chosen people on earth to send the Messiah to, and prepared them to be righteous and receive him. But always humans have their own responsibility, to unite with God's wishes. If they fail, they unite with Satan.
Parable of the vineyard - shows that Israel lost the blessing as chosen people when they rejected Jesus.
Who are the new chosen people? Christians. Christians are the 2nd israel, spread worldwide (not just one nation). But Jesus also warned that when he returns, Christians might also make the same mistake as the Jews: persecute and reject him. "Begone from me you evil doers"
How is this possible? Only if Christ returns as a man to complete the original mission, to be received, to complete the full mission. Jesus sacrifice opened the way for spiritual salvation through faith, but our flesh is still under Satanic dominion. (Paul - wretched and that I am! Mind - I serve God, but flesh, I serve evil)
Christ returns to complete all salvation, in flesh as well in spirit. So he must return as a man, not as a supernatural phenomena. We already have the example of a "return" or second coming in scripture. John the Baptist was the second coming of Elijah. Jesus himself told his disciples this.
Does this mean reincarnation is real? No. It means that Elijah in the spirit was working with and through John Baptist to complete his mission, the mission of "making straight the way of the Lord" i.e preparing Israel to receive (and not reject) the messiah.
But John never followed Jesus. In the end, he actually doubted him. John failed in this mission.
The important point is, the Israelites lost God's blessing as the chosen people when they rejected Jesus and forced him to take the way of the cross to atone for their sin of rejection. Through that sacrifice, Jesus opened the door to spiritual salvation. But remember, Jesus could forgive sins before the cross.
Thank you for your reply. It is staggering to witness the harsh realities of modern-day Israel, a nation whose actions often appear deeply troubling. Even Netanyahu carries a demeanor that, to me, seems almost demonic. While the attack they suffered was undeniably tragic, their response against the Palestinian people—inflicting so much suffering on countless families—is utterly disproportionate and, frankly, unconscionable.
The Bible tells us that in the last days, the entire world will stand against Israel. Yet, as I reflect on this, I’m struck by how my own understanding of such prophetic truths has been clouded over the years. Having been involved in far too many churches, I failed to take responsibility for my own spiritual growth. Instead of diligently searching for the Truth through His Word, I allowed myself to absorb a confusing patchwork of doctrines and teachings—what I now see as a “word salad” of misunderstandings developed over 55 years. This confusion was further compounded by the countless pharmaceuticals prescribed to me by the VA.
As someone who is 100% service-connected disabled due to gross incompetence by the US Navy in the 1980s, my life has felt like a slow-motion train wreck since 1984. I know there are others out there like me—people who love and believe wholeheartedly in Jesus Christ but struggle to connect the dots, hindered by our own limited cognitive, mental, emotional, and spiritual abilities. It’s a battle, but one I am determined to fight with God’s guidance and grace. I will study further into your response, I believe it has merit. God Speed.