If President Trump can show that the Big Steal of 2020 actually happened and document it in a military tribunal, then ALL presidential acts that Biden did in his term are null and void, including this pardon.
Some thing are simple, some are difficult and others are impossible. Biden has appointed over 200 Federal Judges who have handled thousands of both civil and criminal cases. He has signed numerous pieces of legislation, approved billions in spending, made agreements with foreign governments, approved numerous personal actions including military promotions and retirements and so many other executive actions they can’t all be counted. Short of inventing a Time Machine to role the clock back, invalidating all acts of a president would fall into the impossible realm.
The presidency is not governed under contract law but rather by Constitutional law. Once Congress certifies the electoral vote and a president is sworn into office, he can only be removed by Constitutional means which are limited to death, resignation, impeachment and conviction or temporarily for incapacity under the 25th amendment. In none of these circumstances are prior actions invalidated. Somewhat like a bad marriage. You can end it but you can’t erase the damage.
Much of the concern about this pardon is tied to the obviously stolen 2020 presidential election. We can quote slogans such as "fraud invalidates everything" but that is not entirely accurate. For example, look up the concept of "good faith purchaser" where an individual can obtain title to property that was stolen if they bought it with a good faith belief that the seller was the actual owner. While many of us passionately believe the current president was not correctly elected, he was certified in accordance with the Constitution. Entities dealing with the government had a good faith belief that he was the valid president. Any later finding that the election was fraudulent can not reverse the validity of their transactions otherwise no one could ever have full confidence in any dealing with our government or anyone else for that matter. The only recourse is to punish the responsible individuals in accordance with law and make sure the punishment is so severe as to deter future occurrences.
Just a thought experiment;
Assuming that we get the absolute best-case scenario;
The Trump admin enables the Emergency Broadcast System and plays stuff 24x7, like "Fraud Vititates Everything", and it is proven - with documents & data - that [they] conclusively stole the 2020 election & biden is & was a total fraud,
Wouldn't it make sense & be possible - even slightly - for them to declare his "presidential" pardons null & void?
I am as disappointed with this pardon as you or anyone else but when President Trump promises to pardon the January 6th protesters I think that will be a just and noble exercise of Presidential judgment. Some others will likely think it is a gross abuse of power. The pardon power itself is not inherently good or bad. It is the character of the individual that is at issue.
I look at this much the same way I view the Second Amendment. Guns can be used for good or bad but is the person using the instrument that is at issue, not the gun itself. Just as with the pardon power, any effort to get around the Constitutional provision is fraught with danger. Sometimes we must accept the bad to preserve the good.
I am frequently reminded of the wisdom of my old grandmother. One of her favorite sayings was: "Be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater."
If President Trump can show that the Big Steal of 2020 actually happened and document it in a military tribunal, then ALL presidential acts that Biden did in his term are null and void, including this pardon.
Contract law. Fraud vitiates everything Joe did.
I've been spreading that far and wide. It needs to be on everyone's mind.
Some thing are simple, some are difficult and others are impossible. Biden has appointed over 200 Federal Judges who have handled thousands of both civil and criminal cases. He has signed numerous pieces of legislation, approved billions in spending, made agreements with foreign governments, approved numerous personal actions including military promotions and retirements and so many other executive actions they can’t all be counted. Short of inventing a Time Machine to role the clock back, invalidating all acts of a president would fall into the impossible realm.
The presidency is not governed under contract law but rather by Constitutional law. Once Congress certifies the electoral vote and a president is sworn into office, he can only be removed by Constitutional means which are limited to death, resignation, impeachment and conviction or temporarily for incapacity under the 25th amendment. In none of these circumstances are prior actions invalidated. Somewhat like a bad marriage. You can end it but you can’t erase the damage.
Great post overall. I hate to admit it, but you are of coruse correct.
That said; Doesn't mean we can't TRY to right as many wrongs as possible.
I mean; the left is doing it CONSTANTLY - even renaming Military Bases, schools, landmarks, etc. - so we should take a good stab at it.
Fraud invalidates everything, period.
You live in cuckoo land pal. There are limits to the practicalities of things IRL. Essentially what the above poster outlines.
Much of the concern about this pardon is tied to the obviously stolen 2020 presidential election. We can quote slogans such as "fraud invalidates everything" but that is not entirely accurate. For example, look up the concept of "good faith purchaser" where an individual can obtain title to property that was stolen if they bought it with a good faith belief that the seller was the actual owner. While many of us passionately believe the current president was not correctly elected, he was certified in accordance with the Constitution. Entities dealing with the government had a good faith belief that he was the valid president. Any later finding that the election was fraudulent can not reverse the validity of their transactions otherwise no one could ever have full confidence in any dealing with our government or anyone else for that matter. The only recourse is to punish the responsible individuals in accordance with law and make sure the punishment is so severe as to deter future occurrences.
Posted 7 hours ago: https://greatawakening.win/p/199hzUr8Lb/the-ultimate-solution--and-there/c/
Just a thought experiment; Assuming that we get the absolute best-case scenario; The Trump admin enables the Emergency Broadcast System and plays stuff 24x7, like "Fraud Vititates Everything", and it is proven - with documents & data - that [they] conclusively stole the 2020 election & biden is & was a total fraud, Wouldn't it make sense & be possible - even slightly - for them to declare his "presidential" pardons null & void?
This thread made me think......
https://greatawakening.win/p/199hzTjHzV/you-dont-actually-think-its-a-co/c/
I am as disappointed with this pardon as you or anyone else but when President Trump promises to pardon the January 6th protesters I think that will be a just and noble exercise of Presidential judgment. Some others will likely think it is a gross abuse of power. The pardon power itself is not inherently good or bad. It is the character of the individual that is at issue.
I look at this much the same way I view the Second Amendment. Guns can be used for good or bad but is the person using the instrument that is at issue, not the gun itself. Just as with the pardon power, any effort to get around the Constitutional provision is fraught with danger. Sometimes we must accept the bad to preserve the good.
I am frequently reminded of the wisdom of my old grandmother. One of her favorite sayings was: "Be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater."
That’s why he falls under devolution and occupying powers under the law of war manual.
Here comes Brunson with a steel chair?
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