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- Representatives were only given a few hours to read the bill. Although it was a very small bill compared to the previous one, it's still 116 pages that need to be analyzed line by line and digested. Then a tough decision has to be made, and decisions can take time.
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- Fiscal conservatives couldn't get behind eliminating the debt ceiling for two whole years. McCarthy's political career ended because he worked with Democrats to just raise the debt ceiling. Now Trump is asking to do away with it entirely for a fairly long period of time that would cover the rest of Biden's term as well as half of his own presidency. Traditional Reagan conservatives and budget hawk types in the Freedom Caucus are diametrically opposed to this kind of permissiveness when it comes to government spending.
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- Trump's bill would have ended the debt ceiling crisis for the remainder of this congressional term. While that might sound like a good thing to us, the debt ceiling gives each member of congress a ton of leverage considering how slim the majority is right now. A quick solution would undermine a key bargaining chip that representatives have been using to advance their own agenda and personality.
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- Democrats are not going to vote for the "Trump spending bill" under any circumstances, especially when it would basically free up a Republican Congress for the next two years under a Republican president.
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- Individual Democrats and some Republicans had more populist critiques of the bill, arguing that it would have cut funds for childhood cancer research among other things while guaranteeing subsidies for pharmaceutical companies and big pharma.
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So What Now?
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As an armchair Congressman myself, I'd introduce a series of tiny, extremely specific bills that just address just a few related things each. The first one would be the least controversial expenditures that everyone should be able to get behind. Stuff like air travel for Christmas, national parks, and giving people their paychecks. That way the "worst" parts of a shutdown are mitigated while the rest are hashed out individually over time.
Single item bills need to become the standard. Once this “singularity” occurs there will be no going back.
You lost me on the first point. So they can vote on a 1500 page bill but not on a 117 page bill? Can’t read 117 pages? What kind of idiots are they?
Yes, I wish to join this armchair club.
Single bills that take 20 minutes to read and a further hour to analyze would be functional. With a 24 hour deadline, one could even sleep on it.
But, even 116 pages (pruned down from the thick book from the opposition), is too many, considering the density. So I suggest MAGA prunes down their emergency bill to 10 pages maximum.
Also there is a Trump card up the preverbial sleeve: I think MAGA sees a shutdown as a perfectly sensible solution - provided they keep offering relief fo people in genuine need - which defangs the arguments from the dems and limits the bill to what is essential.
TU4This It's why I'm here.
the caner research thing is a lie. it was in a stand alone bill already passed by the House.
pushing the debt ceiling 2 years would take a weapon away from Democrats. RINO's are too stupid and soft to use it as a weapon - especially when Democrats don't care about debt.
once we passed 10 trillion in debt its all bullshit anyway. It might as well be 100 Trillion.
think of the budget fight like an Overton Window... each inch to the right is an inch to the right.
and FYI to some people here (not the OP): when they shut down the government - they shut down the parts that will cause the most pain - not the inconsequential parts. They will spend money blocking off parks with no entry fees. They will shut down the VA and suspend paychecks for military personnel. The purple hair fat cows in HR will continue to collect pay checks.
https://greatawakening.win/p/19A0y4kkfx/-can-you-see-how-trump-and-johns/c/
There is a reason a shutdown is looming and why everyone is back in DC.
Migrant funding. Shut down the government and it is chaos. Cannot have that happen before WWIII goes main stream'ing.
WWIII until Trump is in office. Then collapse the economy and let the migrants loose... that is the plan.
I have my doubts about childhood cancer research. 20 years ago, as a nurse in a pediatric hospital, I learned that 4 out of 5 children with cancer would survive. Now, St Jude's commercials tell us that 80% of them survive. This does not sound like progress to me.
It's a miracle it's not worse considering the amount of chemicals and radiation people interact with on a daily basis