Case by case, you definitely should not be in government with dual citizenship.
Someone very close to me who is a naturalized citizen just regained citizenship from their home country, simply because they cannot own property there without it. They have a vacation home and family farm property there they would either inherit or lose soon without citizenship.
What say you?
I totally agree! This needs evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
I have 2 children that have dual, US and Philippine
Citizenship.
Tha US and PH have always had strong ties since we liberated them from Japanese occupation.
Why should my children be punished?
Personally I am full blown, born in the US, citizen and patriot. I was so seriously concerned that the deep state players would cheat again, that I flew home just to cast my ballot in person.
It seems hypocritical to tout citizenship into a land where rights and privileges are egalitarian, and then want to play some kind of "loyalty" card when it comes to holding office. If the immigration officials are content that a person should be granted the status of being a U.S. citizen, why should we think that is not good enough?
Israel? How many Congressmen or Senators have family living in Israel? Obtaining dual citizenship amounts to a 100% open visa for visits and property ownership. Are those international crimes?
I have seen bitching about this for quite some time, but I have never heard any specific problem definition or substantiating evidence. It seems to be nothing more than bigotry, pushed by those who declare it is a consensus (i.e., the "Bolshevik" strategy).
We have plenty of politicians with a single citizenship---who are quite willing to suborn their public trust for money, gratuities, or interest from domestic OR foreign interests. Disloyalty and corruption are the problem, not citizenship.
When you have dual citizenship you cannot have loyalty by definition. Loyalty (a strong feeling of support or allegiance) cannot be devided between 2 entities. And when that happens you have no loyalty at all
Don't confuse possession of passports with loyalty. Plenty of home-grown Americans are disloyal and sign up for espionage. You are back to saying that I cannot be faithful both to my father's family and to my mother's family. When there is no conflict, there is no problem.
You don't prove the existence of a problem. You are just speculating about a problem, when the real problem (disloyalty) has no connection to whose passport one is carrying.
Not sure I agree with this notion. Problem with this logic is that most countries won't disclose if you are their citizen.
Take Israel for example: the only reason we even know that we have people in positions of power who have Israeli citizenship is because they disclosed it themselves. I'm pretty sure there is a good chunk of congressmen who are Israeli citizens, but we simply don't know.
And as A FYI: if you are a dual citizen(fro example: Mexico and Israel), when you become a US citizen you have to pick one that you have to surrender.
If you want a better policy, simply make the PACs and lobbying illegal, only individual contributions to political campaigns, make it so that NGOs and corporations can't donate to political campaigns or charities for any reason. Also make sure that 1st and 2nd generation immigrants can't hold any form of office.
I agree completely. Common sense says you can't be loyal to two different countries. Most of our congress have dual citizenship with Israel, which I believe doesn't extradite, which tells me a whole lot.
Why would you extradite your own citizen? I think extradition works only on foreigners, not citizens.
So, a son from two family lines (paternal and maternal) cannot be loyal to both families? I suppose the pinch comes when one family goes to war with the other one.
If a US citizen with dual citizenship to a country like Israel commits treason, which so many have, and they run to Israel, we would not be able to bring them back to the US to stand trial.
Or if they go to a country with no treaty of extradition. Same result. So what? The practical truth of the matter is that we can't arrest, try, and CONVICT a person of treason unless they are already in our hands. And it totally fails to stop anyone of American citizenship from committing treason.
I take it you assume that anyone leaving the U.S. will not pass through a port of departure where his documents might be inspected (and who would be informed of any fugitives to be on watch for).
So, where has this been a problem in real life? So, you are saying that someone with dual citizenship MIGHT commit treason and escape to another country---and therefore all dual citizenship must be forbidden? I can't help but compare this to the invalid logic of the anti-2nd-Amendment crowd, who want to ban guns because someone with a gun might commit a murder.
But keep in mind many countries do not allow you to surrender your citizenship at all. It doesn't mean you can't love America or adopt American values.
My husband is from Canada but is an American citizen and has been for many years. However, he has dual citizenship because he doesn't lose his Canadian rights by being a US citizen. In fact, my children automatically have dual citizenship because their dad is from Canada. So while I get your point this does not work across the board
Just as a new thought for this group, why don't we follow the law? Or change it through the available means?
If U.S. law already considers that U.S. citizenship trumps any other citizenship, there is nothing to fix.
My cousin has dual citizenship. Her mother, a U.S. citizen, married a French citizen and the mother retained her U.S. citizenship. Therefore, by birthright, my cousin is both completely American and completely French. The world has not come to an end. I would like to know what the "problem" is and what evidence supports its identification as a problem. Why not ask these supposed dual citizenship holders what their purpose is?
Half of congress - gone! I like it!
Case by case, you definitely should not be in government with dual citizenship. Someone very close to me who is a naturalized citizen just regained citizenship from their home country, simply because they cannot own property there without it. They have a vacation home and family farm property there they would either inherit or lose soon without citizenship. What say you?
I totally agree! This needs evaluated on a case-by-case basis. I have 2 children that have dual, US and Philippine Citizenship. Tha US and PH have always had strong ties since we liberated them from Japanese occupation. Why should my children be punished? Personally I am full blown, born in the US, citizen and patriot. I was so seriously concerned that the deep state players would cheat again, that I flew home just to cast my ballot in person.
Common sense isn't common these dsys.
It seems hypocritical to tout citizenship into a land where rights and privileges are egalitarian, and then want to play some kind of "loyalty" card when it comes to holding office. If the immigration officials are content that a person should be granted the status of being a U.S. citizen, why should we think that is not good enough?
Israel? How many Congressmen or Senators have family living in Israel? Obtaining dual citizenship amounts to a 100% open visa for visits and property ownership. Are those international crimes?
I have seen bitching about this for quite some time, but I have never heard any specific problem definition or substantiating evidence. It seems to be nothing more than bigotry, pushed by those who declare it is a consensus (i.e., the "Bolshevik" strategy).
We have plenty of politicians with a single citizenship---who are quite willing to suborn their public trust for money, gratuities, or interest from domestic OR foreign interests. Disloyalty and corruption are the problem, not citizenship.
When you have dual citizenship you cannot have loyalty by definition. Loyalty (a strong feeling of support or allegiance) cannot be devided between 2 entities. And when that happens you have no loyalty at all
Don't confuse possession of passports with loyalty. Plenty of home-grown Americans are disloyal and sign up for espionage. You are back to saying that I cannot be faithful both to my father's family and to my mother's family. When there is no conflict, there is no problem.
You don't prove the existence of a problem. You are just speculating about a problem, when the real problem (disloyalty) has no connection to whose passport one is carrying.
Not sure I agree with this notion. Problem with this logic is that most countries won't disclose if you are their citizen.
Take Israel for example: the only reason we even know that we have people in positions of power who have Israeli citizenship is because they disclosed it themselves. I'm pretty sure there is a good chunk of congressmen who are Israeli citizens, but we simply don't know.
And as A FYI: if you are a dual citizen(fro example: Mexico and Israel), when you become a US citizen you have to pick one that you have to surrender.
If you want a better policy, simply make the PACs and lobbying illegal, only individual contributions to political campaigns, make it so that NGOs and corporations can't donate to political campaigns or charities for any reason. Also make sure that 1st and 2nd generation immigrants can't hold any form of office.
I agree completely. Common sense says you can't be loyal to two different countries. Most of our congress have dual citizenship with Israel, which I believe doesn't extradite, which tells me a whole lot.
Why would you extradite your own citizen? I think extradition works only on foreigners, not citizens.
So, a son from two family lines (paternal and maternal) cannot be loyal to both families? I suppose the pinch comes when one family goes to war with the other one.
If a US citizen with dual citizenship to a country like Israel commits treason, which so many have, and they run to Israel, we would not be able to bring them back to the US to stand trial.
Your second comment is non-sequitur.
Or if they go to a country with no treaty of extradition. Same result. So what? The practical truth of the matter is that we can't arrest, try, and CONVICT a person of treason unless they are already in our hands. And it totally fails to stop anyone of American citizenship from committing treason.
I take it you assume that anyone leaving the U.S. will not pass through a port of departure where his documents might be inspected (and who would be informed of any fugitives to be on watch for).
So, where has this been a problem in real life? So, you are saying that someone with dual citizenship MIGHT commit treason and escape to another country---and therefore all dual citizenship must be forbidden? I can't help but compare this to the invalid logic of the anti-2nd-Amendment crowd, who want to ban guns because someone with a gun might commit a murder.
I guess we just need to stop this conversation as you are clearly not understanding what is happening. I'm out.
But you haven't established that anything is "happening." You are only putting forward suppositions. This is what happens when nothing is "happening."
Would have the same effect as winning the Brunson Brother's case at Supreme Court! Same people.
I can live with that.
Not necessarily.
In positions of power, yes.
But keep in mind many countries do not allow you to surrender your citizenship at all. It doesn't mean you can't love America or adopt American values.
When it comes down to it, all will need to choose one and only one, this is part of our growing.
Calirado governor from California is a dual citizen with…guess…
I disagree. They should not hold office or be in the government but having dual citizenship is fine with me.
My husband is from Canada but is an American citizen and has been for many years. However, he has dual citizenship because he doesn't lose his Canadian rights by being a US citizen. In fact, my children automatically have dual citizenship because their dad is from Canada. So while I get your point this does not work across the board
You can't really give up your citizenship for a lot of countries. My mother is American and swedish,she just didn't request her Swedish passport.
She used to have a green card number that was low 5 digits. The border patrol guys couldn't belive it.....
Just as a new thought for this group, why don't we follow the law? Or change it through the available means?
If U.S. law already considers that U.S. citizenship trumps any other citizenship, there is nothing to fix.
My cousin has dual citizenship. Her mother, a U.S. citizen, married a French citizen and the mother retained her U.S. citizenship. Therefore, by birthright, my cousin is both completely American and completely French. The world has not come to an end. I would like to know what the "problem" is and what evidence supports its identification as a problem. Why not ask these supposed dual citizenship holders what their purpose is?