I honestly don't understand the point to these types of responses.
Are you trying to say that "modern day Jews" don't have any rights because they're not the same genetically as the original Israelites?
I just honestly don't know where you're going with this.
But, anyway, just like how modern Christians aren't direct descendants of the first Christians in terms of DNA—since Christianity has spread across the world and includes many different cultures and ethnic groups—Jewish identity is also about faith, culture, and shared history, not just DNA. The fact that some Jewish people may have different ancestral backgrounds doesn't negate their connection to the Jewish faith and tradition. Faith communities evolve over time, and their identity is shaped by both religious belief and shared experiences, not just by biological lineage.
Not all Jewish people are biologically from the same group. Specifically, converts. Not all Jewish people from the same biological origin are religious.
That's why I mentioned both ethnicity and religion in my posts. All Jewish people aren't necessarily both genetically Jewish and religious.
But based on comments I've read around here, about religious practices like metzitzah b’peh and physical attributes commonly associated with Jewish people (nose shape and size), then they're definitely being targeted based on either their religion or their ethnicity, no matter if that ethnicity is genetically the same as the original Israelites or not.
What you wrote isn't as clear as you believe it to be.
Do jewish people consider themselves a religion or a race?
Depends on the person. Some Jewish people are converts, so they don't have the same ethnic background as others. Some Jewish people aren't religious, but are born into Jewish families and consider themselves ethnically and culturally Jewish.
It's not an either/or or all or nothing thing. Being Jewish is not only a religion or only an ethnicity or only a culture. It's a combination of all of that.
Right, some jewish people are converts, which is why my original statement is accurate. There is an actual bloodline/DNA line of ethnic jews that originate from the biblical Israelites. Then there are a bunch of converts who are in fact not jewish at all except that they follow the religion and they use the jewish religion as a shield for the things they do. This is much of modern day Israel. The Rothschilds, who were instrumental in the creation of the modern nation state of Israel, are converts. Their true lineage goes back to the Khazarian Empire.
From what I understand, this shift from the "original" Jewish bloodline to the Khzars happened around the 8th or 9th century.
If so, I think having 1,000+ years history of being Jewish/claiming Jewish/whatever gives them the right to whatever religious/cultural/ethnic identities they now claim.
I honestly don't understand this argument.
It seems as if you're saying that because they don't have the same genetic profile as ancient Israelites, they aren't legitimately Jewish?
To be clear, I don't think "original" Jews, or those whose genetics are from ancient Israelites are in any way special or are more deserving of having their religion/culture/ethnicity respected any more than anyone else is.
So, even if Khzars did convert over 1,000 years ago, well damn. I think they've been around long enough to be able to legitimately call themselves Jewish.
This argument makes zero sense to me. It would be like me saying that because white Christians of anglo-saxon descent aren't the same bloodline/DNA as the original biblical Christians, then they're not really Christians at all, except that they follow the religion and they use the Christian religion as a shield for the things they do.
I honestly don't understand the point to these types of responses.
Are you trying to say that "modern day Jews" don't have any rights because they're not the same genetically as the original Israelites?
I just honestly don't know where you're going with this.
But, anyway, just like how modern Christians aren't direct descendants of the first Christians in terms of DNA—since Christianity has spread across the world and includes many different cultures and ethnic groups—Jewish identity is also about faith, culture, and shared history, not just DNA. The fact that some Jewish people may have different ancestral backgrounds doesn't negate their connection to the Jewish faith and tradition. Faith communities evolve over time, and their identity is shaped by both religious belief and shared experiences, not just by biological lineage.
Not all Jewish people are biologically from the same group. Specifically, converts. Not all Jewish people from the same biological origin are religious.
That's why I mentioned both ethnicity and religion in my posts. All Jewish people aren't necessarily both genetically Jewish and religious.
But based on comments I've read around here, about religious practices like metzitzah b’peh and physical attributes commonly associated with Jewish people (nose shape and size), then they're definitely being targeted based on either their religion or their ethnicity, no matter if that ethnicity is genetically the same as the original Israelites or not.
"Are you trying to say that "modern day Jews" don't have any rights because they're not the same genetically as the original Israelites?"
No, if I was trying to say that I would have typed it. What I wrote is what I am saying.
Do jewish people consider themselves a religion or a race?
What you wrote isn't as clear as you believe it to be.
Depends on the person. Some Jewish people are converts, so they don't have the same ethnic background as others. Some Jewish people aren't religious, but are born into Jewish families and consider themselves ethnically and culturally Jewish.
It's not an either/or or all or nothing thing. Being Jewish is not only a religion or only an ethnicity or only a culture. It's a combination of all of that.
Right, some jewish people are converts, which is why my original statement is accurate. There is an actual bloodline/DNA line of ethnic jews that originate from the biblical Israelites. Then there are a bunch of converts who are in fact not jewish at all except that they follow the religion and they use the jewish religion as a shield for the things they do. This is much of modern day Israel. The Rothschilds, who were instrumental in the creation of the modern nation state of Israel, are converts. Their true lineage goes back to the Khazarian Empire.
From what I understand, this shift from the "original" Jewish bloodline to the Khzars happened around the 8th or 9th century.
If so, I think having 1,000+ years history of being Jewish/claiming Jewish/whatever gives them the right to whatever religious/cultural/ethnic identities they now claim.
I honestly don't understand this argument.
It seems as if you're saying that because they don't have the same genetic profile as ancient Israelites, they aren't legitimately Jewish?
To be clear, I don't think "original" Jews, or those whose genetics are from ancient Israelites are in any way special or are more deserving of having their religion/culture/ethnicity respected any more than anyone else is.
So, even if Khzars did convert over 1,000 years ago, well damn. I think they've been around long enough to be able to legitimately call themselves Jewish.
This argument makes zero sense to me. It would be like me saying that because white Christians of anglo-saxon descent aren't the same bloodline/DNA as the original biblical Christians, then they're not really Christians at all, except that they follow the religion and they use the Christian religion as a shield for the things they do.