Yuval Noah Harari: ‘How Do We Share the Planet With This New Superintelligence?’
(www.wired.com)
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We agree Harari is evil and full of shit; but I don't buy this passage, or the unwarranted certitude of its expression. Because it's observably false in the direct experience of everyone alive.
If I'm not conscious to witness a concert, does it "cease to exist"? Or does that curtain go up at showtime without me?
I'm not typing this in a Siberian forest. No presence of mine there at all. Yet it exists.
I'm not on a Hawaiian island, but they're all still there, unless some have capsized. :)
A hundred billion humans have lived and left this earth, yet it remains. It's been proven.
Before any humans existed, God and literally everything else (instead of nothing else) in the universe did.
In other words our presence not only doesn't determine the existence of everything else; our presence doesn't determine the existence of anything else, except that which we would have made had we existed.
Someone is or was present in every place you mentioned...
Are you focusing on trying to "be right" or whatever because you thought it was going to be helpful or some other reason?
Wanna start an argument over Bible passages and which Bible is the "true" version? That's always a popular choice...
Do you believe that you are your body? Your senses? Your mind and all the thoughts it contains? Or do you know that you are really none of these things and much greater than that? Have you discovered that yet?
Meanwhile, the battle against those who wish to convince you, you're insignificant, there is no God and eating children is okay continues....
Qeq. What other reason besides telling the truth is required for expressing truths?
Nope. I was referring to a large expanse of Siberian forest where no humans are present. Yet the entire forest exists regardless.
Here, I'll make it easier. No humans are on Venus, yet it exists. Same with Jupiter, Saturn, and all the other planets and stars no humans exist on. It's been proven that they exist, and not just in our own solar system. And the case cannot logically be made that it is our observation of these heavenly bodies that generates their existence; for they PREDATE our own existence by billions of years.
Thus the presence of humans does not determine the existence or nonexistence of anything else in the universe.
Schrödinger's cat enters the chat...He said the science is already settled and you're wrong for a second time, but it's okay. You're gonna make it, despite the ego bruising. He said you should probably troll for arguing on the internet some place else and mentioned the special olympics. Whatever that means. He said you had a sense of humor and that you'd understand.
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Consciousness determines that they all exist. Nothing else can
If humans weren't here, the rocks would cry out in His glory.
Rocks predate humans on this planet by billions of years. Were they crying that whole time until humans appeared? Why?
And, did they stop crying at the appearance of early hominid forms, like Australopithecus afarensis or Homo habilis, or did they keep it up until the advent of Homo neanderthalensis, or keep wailing until they met the first Homo sapiens? How did the rocks deicde when to stop crying? And why suddenly stop just because this or that species of human appeared? Hell, if they'd known what atrocities humans would eventually be inflicting, they would STILL be crying out!
Stupid rocks ;)
Rocks only predate humans by five days.
You can't wrap your mind around the science of consciousness . The universe and God has always been, which is harder for most to comprehend than eternity