Government identification? "Unnecessary and tyrannical" (1913).
"A tool for political surveillance and repression" (1921).
"A dangerous step... which could be used to control and monitor citizens" (1936).
FACT: Any 'schema' in the wrong hands can be abused. But, in the right hands? PANIC!
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Submission statement: all of the hysteria about real ID has been around literally for over 120 years. The fact is That, in order for a nation to serve its citizens, it's government has to make sure those services go only to those citizens that are paying into the system. The schema itself, whatever form of identification they choose to use, has to serve that system. That's the only important thing.
The sword cuts both ways. It is largely due to the vigilant among us (looking at you, frogs) that we stand here today and are not living in a totally dystopian UK style police state.
In my view, real ID does not go far enough. And it will go farther. And here, hopefully, very soon. As you can see from the image attached to this post, The concept of having to prove citizenship in order to vote, while also claiming that there's no fraud in the system at all, has Democrats scared shitless. Let's go for that. When they squeal, when we catch flack, that's how we know we're over target.
What will keep us safe? Look back at what Q said. INTERNET BILL OF RIGHTS.
The I’d thing is only as good as those reviewing the I’d info. If Obama’s team get to check the info then all these illegals will get real IDs.
Same as with voting. Dems will “count” the votes.
And at all of the Birth Cert/Death certificate offices, these aren't staffers who change politics to match the current administration. If someone is a blue blooded Dem in the ID office (our DMV in Ohio), they are going to do what they want regardless of who is in place. We are at the mercy of each individual's scruples.
For official id purposes, you must get a stamped copy from the state of birth, cannot just be a xerox copy. Not saying there are not forged ones . . .
Birth certificates are not Federally protected documents. Drivers license is not proof of Citizenship. Feeble attempt. Passports are Class "A". All other forms are Class "B". The entire system is way behind the power curve.
Excellent comment. This is why I said in my submission statement that real ID in my view doesn't go far enough. It needs to reach blockchain levels of truth, trust, and verifyability. Eliminate the fraud in the system, and you basically eliminate the Democrat party.
FINALLY, it looks like the world might get REAL ID. Too late to erase what they already have on REAL people. Bring it on while the Good Guys are in charge and FINALLY the world might truly get to know if it,s neighbour is bonafide.
I'm in UK and last year was the first time government ID was required for voting. Did not go well. The voter turnout is falling anyway because there is no difference between any of the crap useless political parties and people increasingly don't see the point of voting. There was quite a dip this time as people saw the ID requirement as yet one more obstacle and incentive not to bother.
The folk who operate the voting stations are local volunteers and it seems to attract some real nanohitlers who get off on finally having some power. Mine made me take my glasses off then scrutinised my ID super-carefully under a light to make sure I wasn't trying anything.
Non-citizens are even less interested to vote and the ID requirement means nothing to them because they aren't going anyway. Also you don't have to be a citizen to get a driving license so I don't understand why they accept licenses as ID it seems pointless if the objective is to restrict voting to those entitled.
Voter ID is not fixing anything in UK - good luck and hope you have a better result in US.
Perhaps if you get a candidate and a movement that is appealing to the masses this would get people out of their basements to vote. I've seen it happen elsewhere....
Asking out of ignorance, why hasn't Nigel Farage gained much traction for political power in the UK? He appears to be populist in nature but I really don't follow UK in detail so I don't know if he's tainted in some way? Skeletons? Not true blue MUKGA?
Nigel has been a volatile politician and was widely regarded as the main architect of removing UK from EU. You could say he started off full of promise, but after he effectively ended the UK Independence Party then people just felt disappointment instead. But back he came with the Reform party which lasted just long enough to split the conservative vote and allow left-wing Labour into government. Now Reform has pretty much died because of its internal squabbling.
Nigel suffered a series of sketchy accidents, notably the brakes failing on his car and his light aircraft crashing in a field. I think it's true to say that by now he's widely regarded amongst conservatives either as recruited into controlled opposition, or at best focused solely on his own interests and hoping to be rewarded by a seat in the House of Lords in return for stop rocking the boat.
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Great comment. Requiring ID to vote is also dependent on what happens in the back rooms where they count the votes, doesn't it!