“Pope” francis just died, less than a day after VP Vance met with him and prayed “for [francis’] good health”.
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I’d love your thoughts on what our Lord Jesus has to say about this subject: (w/o your condescending tone please)
Mark 7 5-13
5So the Pharisees and scribes questioned Jesus: “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders? Instead, they eat with defiled hands.”
6Jesus answered them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 7They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’c 8You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.d”
9He went on to say, “You neatly set aside the command of God to maintaine your own tradition. 10For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’f and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’g 11But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever you would have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12he is no longer permitted to do anything for his father or mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down. And you do so in many such matters.”
Apologies for the lack of clarity fren, the sad/frustrated (not condescending) tone was aimed at redlotus’s comment above yours, in agreement with your comments, though he did have a point about “quoting an anti Catholic website regarding Catholicism is like quoting Mossad shill Alex Jones to prove Q isn't real.” not being a persuasive approach. Having done that many times, I can confirm it doesn’t work.
I strongly agree that it is good to pay attention to Jesus’s simple teachings first, before trying to understand Paul’s complex ones that require a lot of nuance and context.
“Tradition” was included because the Catholics vehemently hate all Jewish Talmudic thought and records (while it can be very off-target, not all of it is wrong, and some of it accidentally confirms the cross, kek. This is not an endorsement of it, mind you) yet hold to their traditions in the exact same stuff-necked and unhumbled manners, lacking self-examination based in scripture first…
…which was precisely what Jesus rebuked. Hence my sigh.
If I was gonna go condescending, it would be toward the “papal use of pompous words like ex-cathedra vicaral sacrosanctificatory transubstantificated concupiscatedly hermeneuticized”, thrown into a Latin mass (which probably was better than the current one, to be fair), because the more we can’t understand must means it’s that much more important, but … I don’t have a condescending attitude toward Catholicism itself, though I believe them wrong, and wouldn’t earnestly do that (the above condescension was very half-hearted and uninspired). In truth there things about the Catholic practices of faith I admire and would like to see preserved through any doctrinal corrections.
Mostly any actual attacks of mine toward them are toward the common lack of humility that many Catholics display in aggressive defense of their adhered man-made doctrines, or the occasional accidental blasphemy (which is more of a thing among gnostics than catholics), but even toward him, that comment was more intended to point out “redlotus probably doesn’t approve of Tevye’s adherence to tradition, yet advocates the same thing, while proclaiming Jesus, yet denying his words.”
Those parts makes me sad. Pride, people. Put away the pride! Like, I probably have a lot of error in belief myself, and I know I don’t follow what I do know perfectly, and also moreso if I get proud about what I have right, I’m not going to continue looking at my own plank so that I can see it to fix it.