Most Military Bases at least Domestically aren’t on the kind of alert that would have the Garrison ready to fight at a moments notice. Let alone calling in Artillery on MGs. Even if the Garrison was on alert. It’s debatable how effective a defense of a base domestically would be. Most of our Domestic Installations weren’t set up with the possibility of having to defend against a coordinated outside attack.
And Military Police/Base Security domestically, barring certain installations, aren’t armed to repel a coordinated assault. Given their equipped mostly for basic law enforcement and dealing with the shenanigans drunk or bored soldiers get up to.
And the Base armories are largely centralized. So if they’re able to get the drop on an installation. It’s fairly likely they’d be able to take the Base. Or at the very least thoroughly loot the armories and depots before a response can be mustered.
That’s not even considering National Guard Armories. Most of them are basically an Office Building/Warehouse combo.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Domestic bases are not on alert nor are they ready to defend off a hail of bullets from a Gatling gun at 1000 -1500 yards where it's a bit more difficult to shoot back.
Plus, Gatling gunners could take up concealed positions with without having/needing direct line of sight and use the bullet ark to land down on the target while you're shielded in a ditch/etc.
Point is that the casualties could be very high. And that gun could take out aircraft on the ground/taking off. It would be a hell-scape if caught by surprise.
When you're throwing thousands of rounds/ min, you don't even need to see the target. Therefore snipers (from base) can't get you, because you're firing from a completely concealed position.
From AI:
"The effective range of a .308 Gatling gun is generally considered to be 800 to 1,000 yds. While some may argue for a longer range, the US Military typically defines the maximum effective range at 1,000 meters."
Does that mean you (or aircraft on the tarmac) would be safe at1500 yardsif someone was throwing 4000 rounds a minute (x3 or more gunners) w/ overlapping fire in an ark at you/your vehicle? NO, you'd be fucked.
Precision aiming would not be the first priority with a Gatling gun.
The book “The Attack” by Kurt Schlichter details how it could go down. With exactly these types of weapons. It’s a fast read…frightening…the last third of the book describes how we can defend against it. And hope to not be as surprised since the book educates.
I have noticed the explosion of long range precision rifle marksmanship in the last ten years. I’ve wondered if this was organic or an intentional effort by the good guy’s to steer the shooting public towards a valuable skill that may be required in the future. I know the GWAT had a bit to do with it but it seems something more.
Interesting take on the potential intended recipients/nefarious uses of this haul. My first thought always goes to the question of how many transports of terrorist items (ammunition, firearms/weaponry, explosives, etc) have already slipped through and made their ways to evil players? Scary to think about including what this podcaster you've highlighted here brings up.
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Tangentially...
Take a look at the anon u/LongTimeListener2 thread in the following post where they bring up the physics of transporting the weight in the alleged vehicle. It seems to me that the numbers aren't adding up which makes the incident suspect as reported. I suppose an "enhanced suspension" might make this possible (?) though I don't know what that would entail. It could also be that the WHs are releasing "altered details" for some strategic reason(s), perhaps to make sure they don't jeopardize current or future operations. Just theorizing here.
While I have fewer doubts that there was an ammunition transport that was intercepted (and that circumstances point to it being for nefarious purposes), the details that have been given about the transport vehicle don't seem to be reasonable in light of the astute observations from anon LTL2. IOW something seems "off" about this whole story. Details matter.
Edit: LTL2 - I double-checked on the weight issue... (Still need to further break it down for accuracy, but just doing rough, ballpark calculations here). According to an online source, a single round of .308 weights between 9 and 11 grams so I used 10 grams as the basis. Converting to ounces, that's .35 ounces per round. NOT considering the weight of the boxes (nor the breakdown of calibers for the moment) the 180K rounds come to 63K ounces or 3,938 pounds - approximately two tons. According to the same source, a case of 1000 rounds of.308 weighs about 30 pounds. 180 cases make that 5400 pounds or about 2.7 tons.
Anon LTL2 -- does this change the feasibility of transporting in a GMC passenger van?
Edit2: According to the following site, the towing capacity (can I assume this is the weight capacity of the vehicle?) is listed for both current passenger and cargo vans and the cargo vans, at least, seem to be able to handle the reported ammunition haul when converted to pounds. Weight of two Mexican nationals, combined, perhaps 300-500 pounds so nearing maximum weight capacity for a passenger van. Consider the mountainous terrain they were traveling on also. It was reported (by MSN) to be a passenger (vs cargo) van. If they were pushing the weight limits on that vehicle, it may be, ironically, why they were pulled over for "high beams" as the back of the vehicle would have likely been sitting lower due to the weight of the ammunition.
Towing capacity is tongue weight. I put a pallet of salt weighing a ton on my 1500 and its squatting. Two tons and it would be sitting on the axle. Passenger vans are built on a 1/2 ton truck chassis. Unless extra leafs are added to the spring I dont think its possible to haul 3938 pounds let alone 5400.
Thanks for this (I'm still learning about all this and you obviously are well-versed with direct experience). Thanks for sharing your expertise. I certainly never gave it a thought until you brought it up.
Really I question the entire story because of these details. Just shows you how the media leads us around by the nose. Confirmation bias is a powerful tool of the death cult.
Belt fed,was my first thought when I saw the amount of .308
That won't help them much,when an A-10 lights them up or a hellfire missile.
For those who don't know, .308 makes 5.56 looks like paper spitballs.
Think Gatling gun.
Could you (try to) take a (Mil.) base with that?
No unless they are completely unprepared. machine guns are normaly taken out with mortars or rockets or snipers.
Most Military Bases at least Domestically aren’t on the kind of alert that would have the Garrison ready to fight at a moments notice. Let alone calling in Artillery on MGs. Even if the Garrison was on alert. It’s debatable how effective a defense of a base domestically would be. Most of our Domestic Installations weren’t set up with the possibility of having to defend against a coordinated outside attack.
And Military Police/Base Security domestically, barring certain installations, aren’t armed to repel a coordinated assault. Given their equipped mostly for basic law enforcement and dealing with the shenanigans drunk or bored soldiers get up to.
And the Base armories are largely centralized. So if they’re able to get the drop on an installation. It’s fairly likely they’d be able to take the Base. Or at the very least thoroughly loot the armories and depots before a response can be mustered.
That’s not even considering National Guard Armories. Most of them are basically an Office Building/Warehouse combo.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Domestic bases are not on alert nor are they ready to defend off a hail of bullets from a Gatling gun at 1000 -1500 yards where it's a bit more difficult to shoot back.
Plus, Gatling gunners could take up concealed positions with without having/needing direct line of sight and use the bullet ark to land down on the target while you're shielded in a ditch/etc.
Point is that the casualties could be very high. And that gun could take out aircraft on the ground/taking off. It would be a hell-scape if caught by surprise.
When you're throwing thousands of rounds/ min, you don't even need to see the target. Therefore snipers (from base) can't get you, because you're firing from a completely concealed position.
From AI:
"The effective range of a .308 Gatling gun is generally considered to be 800 to 1,000 yds. While some may argue for a longer range, the US Military typically defines the maximum effective range at 1,000 meters."
Does that mean you (or aircraft on the tarmac) would be safe at 1500 yards if someone was throwing 4000 rounds a minute (x3 or more gunners) w/ overlapping fire in an ark at you/your vehicle?
NO, you'd be fucked.
Precision aiming would not be the first priority with a Gatling gun.
Then they probably could,their only hope would be air support.
The book “The Attack” by Kurt Schlichter details how it could go down. With exactly these types of weapons. It’s a fast read…frightening…the last third of the book describes how we can defend against it. And hope to not be as surprised since the book educates.
Get it. Read it. Share it.
I have noticed the explosion of long range precision rifle marksmanship in the last ten years. I’ve wondered if this was organic or an intentional effort by the good guy’s to steer the shooting public towards a valuable skill that may be required in the future. I know the GWAT had a bit to do with it but it seems something more.
If anybody watches Monkeywerx, he's shown lots of surveillance from spy planes looking right at CO and parts of UT. They know.
M.werx also said their are several Afgan colonies in UT and MT.
You rang…??
A real fun weekend?
Interesting take on the potential intended recipients/nefarious uses of this haul. My first thought always goes to the question of how many transports of terrorist items (ammunition, firearms/weaponry, explosives, etc) have already slipped through and made their ways to evil players? Scary to think about including what this podcaster you've highlighted here brings up.
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Tangentially...
Take a look at the anon u/LongTimeListener2 thread in the following post where they bring up the physics of transporting the weight in the alleged vehicle. It seems to me that the numbers aren't adding up which makes the incident suspect as reported. I suppose an "enhanced suspension" might make this possible (?) though I don't know what that would entail. It could also be that the WHs are releasing "altered details" for some strategic reason(s), perhaps to make sure they don't jeopardize current or future operations. Just theorizing here.
While I have fewer doubts that there was an ammunition transport that was intercepted (and that circumstances point to it being for nefarious purposes), the details that have been given about the transport vehicle don't seem to be reasonable in light of the astute observations from anon LTL2. IOW something seems "off" about this whole story. Details matter.
https://greatawakening.win/p/19AxGemYSY/two-mexican-nationals-caught-and/
(Your post direct link -- https://youtu.be/blpPitEkmBY)
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Edit: LTL2 - I double-checked on the weight issue... (Still need to further break it down for accuracy, but just doing rough, ballpark calculations here). According to an online source, a single round of .308 weights between 9 and 11 grams so I used 10 grams as the basis. Converting to ounces, that's .35 ounces per round. NOT considering the weight of the boxes (nor the breakdown of calibers for the moment) the 180K rounds come to 63K ounces or 3,938 pounds - approximately two tons. According to the same source, a case of 1000 rounds of.308 weighs about 30 pounds. 180 cases make that 5400 pounds or about 2.7 tons.
Anon LTL2 -- does this change the feasibility of transporting in a GMC passenger van?
https://thegunzone.com/how-much-does-308-ammo-weigh/
https://www.theunitconverter.com/grams-to-ounces-conversion/10-grams-to-ounces.html
Edit2: According to the following site, the towing capacity (can I assume this is the weight capacity of the vehicle?) is listed for both current passenger and cargo vans and the cargo vans, at least, seem to be able to handle the reported ammunition haul when converted to pounds. Weight of two Mexican nationals, combined, perhaps 300-500 pounds so nearing maximum weight capacity for a passenger van. Consider the mountainous terrain they were traveling on also. It was reported (by MSN) to be a passenger (vs cargo) van. If they were pushing the weight limits on that vehicle, it may be, ironically, why they were pulled over for "high beams" as the back of the vehicle would have likely been sitting lower due to the weight of the ammunition.
https://carbuzz.com/cars/gmc/savana-passenger-van/2025/specs-and-trims/
Towing capacity is tongue weight. I put a pallet of salt weighing a ton on my 1500 and its squatting. Two tons and it would be sitting on the axle. Passenger vans are built on a 1/2 ton truck chassis. Unless extra leafs are added to the spring I dont think its possible to haul 3938 pounds let alone 5400.
Thanks for this (I'm still learning about all this and you obviously are well-versed with direct experience). Thanks for sharing your expertise. I certainly never gave it a thought until you brought it up.
Really I question the entire story because of these details. Just shows you how the media leads us around by the nose. Confirmation bias is a powerful tool of the death cult.