You're only offering a binary situation. Black or white. Either "Trump only had access to daily briefings controlled by the CIA" or "Trump is Q+ and his daily briefings are being provided by the Q team who know everything".
You cap it off by "it can't be both". That's very limited reasoning.
These were my thoughts when I read your comment. Trump is always working and acting on multiple layers. He has been fighting in the 'battleground of the system's choosing', as well as working behind many scenes to accomplish certain things and outmaneuver his opponents. (And by "Trump" here I mean the Team that Trump is the spokesperson and symbol of.)
For example, he knows how the media is controlled and by who. Yet, he still speaks to the media. He plays their game. He speaks to 'normie' maga as well as anons and also the American people as a whole (i.e. middle ground who are neither maga nor Marxist leftists, etc).
In this perspective, Trump worked in the first Term to lay a foundation and limit the negative impacts of the Swamp. He works with the Congress, praises people who we know with great certainty are deep state and uniparty minions. When he speaks, he attacks some people and raises other, not because they are all bad and all good, but because he is weaving a narrative.
In this situation, I think it is entirely possible that Trump received briefings from the Establishment apparatus, i.e. those from the NIC formerly siloed under the CIA, etc, even while working with Q team and others on a different level.
If you will allow the metaphor, he is like Neo in the Matrix, when Neo knows it is the matrix, and can get inside it and bring it down from the inside. Which is what he is doing now. But part of the war has been to engage with the Swamp, even as he was working to destroy their foundations.
In other words, it most certainly could be 'both'.
When you set up a binary reasoning - it must be A or or must be B, and there is nothing else - you set up a mental framework from which it becomes more difficult to cast a wider view, or consider other options.
Setting up a binary mentality delivers a certain amount of comfort. "It must be A or B, and I KNOW it cannot be B, so it MUST be A!" Yay! I'm confident that I know what it is!
But its a self-limiting way of thinking, in my view.
That's what I meant by "expand your thinking".
5G warfare is real.
Addendum: You show that binary thinking again in your response: Explain what expanding my thinking would accomplish, that I would accept that Trump is so incompetent he couldn't figure out a way to get intel without being spoon-fed to him by the CIA?
Binary: Expanding my thinking means I must accept Trump is an idiot.
Which is pretty lame.
What about considering the possibility that Trump is smart enough and so competent that he could receive intel briefings by swamp creatures, see through them and know what they are doing, all the while leading them to think they are fooling him?
In my view, Trump is so dangerous to them because he constantly out-maneuvers them and defeats them on THEIR battleground. Politically, culturally, narratively, and more. But that's just my opinion, my working hypothesis.
The notion that the CIA is producing daily reports and Trump is taking them seriously
These are both your specific premises, not mine. No where in anything I wrote says that I think that Trump is trusting briefings "from the CIA" or that Trump is "taking CIA daily reports seriously".
It appears you either did not read my response, or quite failed to understand it.
I'm saying that Trump could very well have been engaging with the CIA knowing what they were doing.
If a cop is undercover, and makes deals with the drug lords he's planning to bust, it doesn't mean that he trust the drug lords or thinks that they're fine upstanding human beings. He engages with them in order to bring them down.
If you cannot grasp this point, then I cannot say any more.
Expand your thinking. Get away from the idea that there are only TWO possibilities here (The two possibilities you have decided are the only one's that can exist.)
Expand your thinking. Get away from the idea that there are only TWO possibilities here
Trump trusting the reports is binary. Either he trusts them or he doesn't.
My critique was that the writer at TCT called it "very significant". In the scenario you describe, it is not significant, i.e. the reports from the CIA were inconsequential because they were taken with a grain of salt.
The scenario you describe, as you demand that I expand my thinking, actually fell into the binary "Q is real so changing the CIA daily briefing didn't matter" option I specified.
The thing you're taking paragraphs to explain is the exact position I've already had with my first opinion on the topic. You're just getting hung up on whether that qualifies as binary for some weird reason.
Why do you think that DNI moving to then remove the CIA as the overseer for the briefings as 'insignificant'? Seems pretty significant to me. Whereas previously, it appears Trump thought it was valuable and necessary to string the swamp along, now he is moving directly to destroy them and cut them off.
I'd say this is a significant development in the unfolding war to destroy the Swamp. But that doesn't mean that the author of the article understands the real significance.
And (we are both supposing) if Trump did not invest as much credit in the daily briefings he got from the Swamp as the normie layer think he did, it still doesn't mean they were inconsequential. If that step (action: getting briefings from the swamp) by Trump was not consequential, I doubt that he would have done it (wasted time on it). He's uber efficient, as far as I can tell. So the question to me is, HOW was it consequential.
Your original premise was that either "Either Trump is Q+ and his daily briefings are being provided by the Q team who know everything, or all his data has been limited to whatever the cabal-owned CIA has dished to him."
In other words, (the way you expressed it), Trump is either getting his daily briefings from Q team OR all his briefings are only from the CIA."
Perhaps I misunderstood it, but I and others interpreted yoru comment as saying "Either Trump is getting briefed by Q team OR by the CIA. He cannot be getting briefed by both of them"
If you agree that he was possibly getting briefings from both his own (Q team) and at the same time getting briefings 'from the CIA' (Establishment swamp), up until now, then I guess we're on the same page there.
However, as bootyjuice wrote, its significant (to some of us) because he has now officially 'cut them off', i.e. made a major change in who gets to control whatever that swamp briefing was.
Btw, I never demanded you expand your thinking. That's pure projection, fren. I exhort you to expand your thinking, but there is no demand there. Your choice 100%, and I'm not particularly attached to what choice you make. The only reason I'm engaging your here is to clarify my own thinking, ideally achieve some mutual understanding, and hopefully make a contribution.
You don't have to 'expand your thinking' or even do it in the way I think would benefit.
But again, to reiterate: you wrote
"Q is real so changing the CIA daily briefing didn't matter"
I think changing the CIA daily briefing DID matter. It's just that your standard of 'what matters' and my standard of 'what matters' differs. I think if you expanded your view, you'd see that while as far as X goes, it 'doesn't matter', but as far as Y goes, 'it does matter'. And these two are not mutually exclusive (kek, aka 'binary'). They can both be true.
In any case, thank you for responding, and making the effort to clarify your thinking to me. We may differ in aspects of our perspective, but your effort is appreciated.
You're only offering a binary situation. Black or white. Either "Trump only had access to daily briefings controlled by the CIA" or "Trump is Q+ and his daily briefings are being provided by the Q team who know everything".
You cap it off by "it can't be both". That's very limited reasoning.
These were my thoughts when I read your comment. Trump is always working and acting on multiple layers. He has been fighting in the 'battleground of the system's choosing', as well as working behind many scenes to accomplish certain things and outmaneuver his opponents. (And by "Trump" here I mean the Team that Trump is the spokesperson and symbol of.)
For example, he knows how the media is controlled and by who. Yet, he still speaks to the media. He plays their game. He speaks to 'normie' maga as well as anons and also the American people as a whole (i.e. middle ground who are neither maga nor Marxist leftists, etc).
In this perspective, Trump worked in the first Term to lay a foundation and limit the negative impacts of the Swamp. He works with the Congress, praises people who we know with great certainty are deep state and uniparty minions. When he speaks, he attacks some people and raises other, not because they are all bad and all good, but because he is weaving a narrative.
In this situation, I think it is entirely possible that Trump received briefings from the Establishment apparatus, i.e. those from the NIC formerly siloed under the CIA, etc, even while working with Q team and others on a different level.
If you will allow the metaphor, he is like Neo in the Matrix, when Neo knows it is the matrix, and can get inside it and bring it down from the inside. Which is what he is doing now. But part of the war has been to engage with the Swamp, even as he was working to destroy their foundations.
In other words, it most certainly could be 'both'.
When you set up a binary reasoning - it must be A or or must be B, and there is nothing else - you set up a mental framework from which it becomes more difficult to cast a wider view, or consider other options.
Setting up a binary mentality delivers a certain amount of comfort. "It must be A or B, and I KNOW it cannot be B, so it MUST be A!" Yay! I'm confident that I know what it is!
But its a self-limiting way of thinking, in my view.
That's what I meant by "expand your thinking".
5G warfare is real.
Addendum: You show that binary thinking again in your response: Explain what expanding my thinking would accomplish, that I would accept that Trump is so incompetent he couldn't figure out a way to get intel without being spoon-fed to him by the CIA?
Binary: Expanding my thinking means I must accept Trump is an idiot.
Which is pretty lame.
What about considering the possibility that Trump is smart enough and so competent that he could receive intel briefings by swamp creatures, see through them and know what they are doing, all the while leading them to think they are fooling him?
In my view, Trump is so dangerous to them because he constantly out-maneuvers them and defeats them on THEIR battleground. Politically, culturally, narratively, and more. But that's just my opinion, my working hypothesis.
Well said fren.
Yes, it is binary.
u/#q66
If Q is real and Trump is Q+, and the above is a real Q post, then there's no middle ground where Trump ever trusted the CIA for anything.
Unless Trump cleaned the CIA up, in which case the entire article from TCT is moot.
That's just one of dozens if not hundreds of Q drops demonstrating the CIA isn't to be trusted.
The notion that the CIA is producing daily reports and Trump is taking them seriously is the antithesis of Q.
These are both your specific premises, not mine. No where in anything I wrote says that I think that Trump is trusting briefings "from the CIA" or that Trump is "taking CIA daily reports seriously".
It appears you either did not read my response, or quite failed to understand it.
I'm saying that Trump could very well have been engaging with the CIA knowing what they were doing.
If a cop is undercover, and makes deals with the drug lords he's planning to bust, it doesn't mean that he trust the drug lords or thinks that they're fine upstanding human beings. He engages with them in order to bring them down.
If you cannot grasp this point, then I cannot say any more.
Expand your thinking. Get away from the idea that there are only TWO possibilities here (The two possibilities you have decided are the only one's that can exist.)
Trump trusting the reports is binary. Either he trusts them or he doesn't.
My critique was that the writer at TCT called it "very significant". In the scenario you describe, it is not significant, i.e. the reports from the CIA were inconsequential because they were taken with a grain of salt.
The scenario you describe, as you demand that I expand my thinking, actually fell into the binary "Q is real so changing the CIA daily briefing didn't matter" option I specified.
The thing you're taking paragraphs to explain is the exact position I've already had with my first opinion on the topic. You're just getting hung up on whether that qualifies as binary for some weird reason.
Why do you think that DNI moving to then remove the CIA as the overseer for the briefings as 'insignificant'? Seems pretty significant to me. Whereas previously, it appears Trump thought it was valuable and necessary to string the swamp along, now he is moving directly to destroy them and cut them off.
I'd say this is a significant development in the unfolding war to destroy the Swamp. But that doesn't mean that the author of the article understands the real significance.
And (we are both supposing) if Trump did not invest as much credit in the daily briefings he got from the Swamp as the normie layer think he did, it still doesn't mean they were inconsequential. If that step (action: getting briefings from the swamp) by Trump was not consequential, I doubt that he would have done it (wasted time on it). He's uber efficient, as far as I can tell. So the question to me is, HOW was it consequential.
Your original premise was that either "Either Trump is Q+ and his daily briefings are being provided by the Q team who know everything, or all his data has been limited to whatever the cabal-owned CIA has dished to him."
In other words, (the way you expressed it), Trump is either getting his daily briefings from Q team OR all his briefings are only from the CIA."
Perhaps I misunderstood it, but I and others interpreted yoru comment as saying "Either Trump is getting briefed by Q team OR by the CIA. He cannot be getting briefed by both of them"
If you agree that he was possibly getting briefings from both his own (Q team) and at the same time getting briefings 'from the CIA' (Establishment swamp), up until now, then I guess we're on the same page there.
However, as bootyjuice wrote, its significant (to some of us) because he has now officially 'cut them off', i.e. made a major change in who gets to control whatever that swamp briefing was.
Btw, I never demanded you expand your thinking. That's pure projection, fren. I exhort you to expand your thinking, but there is no demand there. Your choice 100%, and I'm not particularly attached to what choice you make. The only reason I'm engaging your here is to clarify my own thinking, ideally achieve some mutual understanding, and hopefully make a contribution.
You don't have to 'expand your thinking' or even do it in the way I think would benefit.
But again, to reiterate: you wrote
"Q is real so changing the CIA daily briefing didn't matter"
I think changing the CIA daily briefing DID matter. It's just that your standard of 'what matters' and my standard of 'what matters' differs. I think if you expanded your view, you'd see that while as far as X goes, it 'doesn't matter', but as far as Y goes, 'it does matter'. And these two are not mutually exclusive (kek, aka 'binary'). They can both be true.
In any case, thank you for responding, and making the effort to clarify your thinking to me. We may differ in aspects of our perspective, but your effort is appreciated.