Not my luck to run into any smarmy robots. Penrose is mostly a mathematician. I was reading a book by him on artificial intelligence, and he got into a discussion about the Turing test and how we might or might not determine that an A.I. was intelligent---and postulated, "Let's suppose we have a paper tape program infinitely long..." At which point, I finished the sentence with, "And then the fucking universe would be filled entirely with paper," and put the book on the shelf. I haven't opened it since.
Missiles with inertial guidance are probably the first example of autonomous behavior. Once you let it go, there is no bringing it back, and it is terribly important that it go where it is supposed to go. I talk about these things because there is a long-standing database and continuing challenge. I worked for Boeing, home of the Minuteman, the SRAM, the ALCM, the Inertial Upper Stage, etc. We developed the world's first solid-propellant three-axis-stabilized kinetic energy projectile. I worked on target discrimination algorithms. I don't recall any mandate at work, but it was immaterial to me, since I was retired by then.
I don't understand the meaning of your concluding remarks about robots getting a free pass. They are not biological. Lots of people did not get a free pass. What am I supposed to take from that? I didn't agree with it.
I'm not so sure about your paper tape analysis. If the universe is truly infinite then it has plenty of space to hold an infinite amount of infinite things. So an infinitely long paper tape would would not necessarily fill it up. Not even close. Do the math. Your reasoning on the subject seems more emotional than logical so you're clearly not a killerspacerobot. Maybe you should switch to killerspacerobotmaker?
Anyhow, what do you think of Penrose tiles? I sorta like em. Does topology have a place in target discrimination algorithms? I find it strangely fascinating. https://www.goldennumber.net/penrose-tiling/
Infinite is infinite. There would be no space left over ("My infinite is bigger than your infinite."). But the point is that the conjecture is absurd; it ignores the logical implications of its implementation. Not an emotional matter at all. But disgusting that a man of Penrose's stature would go down that path.
There's always space left over -- an infinite amount of space -- otherwise your infinity would be finite.
For example: Integers is an infinite set of numbers. if you remove the negative numbers (also an infinite set) you are left with a set non-negative integers that's still infinite. So the infinite set of negative integers does NOT "fill up" the infinite set of integers. In fact there's an infinite number of infinite partitions of the infinite set of integers.
Everyone of stature is compromised, so maybe the pyramid made him do it.
Remember he posed a paper tape program of infinite length (and because a paper tape has width and thickness, it means infinite volume). If there were any space left over, that condition would be violated. Your example does not apply to continuums of the same kind (volumetric).
No compromise. Just a lack of realization of what he was actually proposing. More like nearsightedness; not seeing the larger implications. Not a good showing for someone who is pontificating on artificial intelligence.
Not my luck to run into any smarmy robots. Penrose is mostly a mathematician. I was reading a book by him on artificial intelligence, and he got into a discussion about the Turing test and how we might or might not determine that an A.I. was intelligent---and postulated, "Let's suppose we have a paper tape program infinitely long..." At which point, I finished the sentence with, "And then the fucking universe would be filled entirely with paper," and put the book on the shelf. I haven't opened it since.
Missiles with inertial guidance are probably the first example of autonomous behavior. Once you let it go, there is no bringing it back, and it is terribly important that it go where it is supposed to go. I talk about these things because there is a long-standing database and continuing challenge. I worked for Boeing, home of the Minuteman, the SRAM, the ALCM, the Inertial Upper Stage, etc. We developed the world's first solid-propellant three-axis-stabilized kinetic energy projectile. I worked on target discrimination algorithms. I don't recall any mandate at work, but it was immaterial to me, since I was retired by then.
I don't understand the meaning of your concluding remarks about robots getting a free pass. They are not biological. Lots of people did not get a free pass. What am I supposed to take from that? I didn't agree with it.
I'm not so sure about your paper tape analysis. If the universe is truly infinite then it has plenty of space to hold an infinite amount of infinite things. So an infinitely long paper tape would would not necessarily fill it up. Not even close. Do the math. Your reasoning on the subject seems more emotional than logical so you're clearly not a killerspacerobot. Maybe you should switch to killerspacerobotmaker?
Anyhow, what do you think of Penrose tiles? I sorta like em. Does topology have a place in target discrimination algorithms? I find it strangely fascinating. https://www.goldennumber.net/penrose-tiling/
Infinite is infinite. There would be no space left over ("My infinite is bigger than your infinite."). But the point is that the conjecture is absurd; it ignores the logical implications of its implementation. Not an emotional matter at all. But disgusting that a man of Penrose's stature would go down that path.
There's always space left over -- an infinite amount of space -- otherwise your infinity would be finite.
For example: Integers is an infinite set of numbers. if you remove the negative numbers (also an infinite set) you are left with a set non-negative integers that's still infinite. So the infinite set of negative integers does NOT "fill up" the infinite set of integers. In fact there's an infinite number of infinite partitions of the infinite set of integers.
Everyone of stature is compromised, so maybe the pyramid made him do it.
Remember he posed a paper tape program of infinite length (and because a paper tape has width and thickness, it means infinite volume). If there were any space left over, that condition would be violated. Your example does not apply to continuums of the same kind (volumetric).
No compromise. Just a lack of realization of what he was actually proposing. More like nearsightedness; not seeing the larger implications. Not a good showing for someone who is pontificating on artificial intelligence.