You cannot separate the two, God and Jesus are one, we call him his son, because he assumed the life of a human mortal, became incarnate from a woman, born through a womb, and became fully human. God so loved the world, and that love brought him to experience our pain, fully, through his death. By experiencing this pain, every ounce of it, the whippings, the humiliations, the betrayal, the thorns, the nails, the excruciating pain of the cross, forgiveness became the key to our immortality with him. God did not have to do this, God is God, true light from true light, but his LOVE , and by his LOVE, and through his LOVE, we are forgiven, and are urged to forgive our human weakness. It had to be displayed in real time and with real blood and with real loss, for us to understand, to have ears to hear and eyes to see. As we understand, and try our best to return that love, we are redeemed, not only from sin, but from death. If you accept that God is almighty, and capable of creating a Universe, why then can he not change and become mortal and walk with us and talk with us and break bread with us? How can he live with us over two thousand years later? By the Holy Spirit. How can an atom turn into a tree, or a mineral, or a table top, or a fire? Those terrible things you speak of were done by man, not God, by men who turned from HIM. There are two things that are beyond Gods mercy, the harm done to children, and by denying his existence, by denying Christ. Does Jesus drop bombs on children? God is no longer a God of wrath, because his wrath did nothing to change sinful man's ways, but his sacrifice did. I shudder to think what this world would have become without the Christ, the messiah, the wonderful counselor, our Emmanuel. It;s a very good chance that none of us would be here, because we would have wiped ourselves out long ago.
This is something I have questions about. If Jesus is God, then is Mary the mother of God or just Jesus? Mary is a mortal and cannot be the mother of God because God is the eternal sovereign. But she is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God. Help me understand please.
She birthed him.Think of it as a surrogate mother, if you will. Perhaps he received his humanity, or, human experience through her, some of her human dna. God from God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father, which tells me it was a form of Incarnation. We are all carbon based, but we are not a piece of coal. I cannot explain it in scientific terms, but I know that carbon is the key in all molecules that form organic life forms on Earth, If the Holy Spirit as one of the three components of God, and that formed within Mary,, from Marys body, the human birth of God, God did not become Jesus, God was still present, as Christ referred to him as The Father, Now, there are many Christians who do not believe in the Trinity, but right now you are engaging with one who does. God,exists in all 3 forms, at the same time, but remaining the one true God. Nature is a reverberation of this divine mystery, the butterfly starts as an insect egg, turns into a leaf muching worm, and then turns into a butterfly,, I am a gardener, but I cannot slice up a tomato seed and serve it with a salad, I would need a damn small knife. But creation reverberates and echos divinity. In that way, we all call ourselves children of God, but there was just one Christ, God in human form, the Messiah who would usher in a world of Gods love and Gods justice, with Gods laws, which were laid down for us. A final chance for redemption, a human teacher who could speak to his people and disciples to hear, not just some special holy men. He spoke to all, so that all could be saved, because he loves us that much. He sacrificed his son, but he also walked to that cross as an example to us, that as long as we are in human form, we are commanded to obey, be humble, charitable, forgiving, as he was as Jesus the Christ. Is it metaphysical? You betcha, it requires a leap of Faith. Faith is a daily workout, when we see how the world really is, this dimension of the world that we trudge through. Our only hope is Faith.
I have so many people that come to me to talk about scripture that do not believe in the Trinity and I tell them no. Just because the Bible never used the term 'trinity' does not mean that a trinity doesn't exist. The Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit all exist in these peoples version of the scripture but they deny the trinity. I don't understand that either because it clearly exists. It doesn't matter that no one in the bible used that term, it only matters that all three exist and in that we agree. So yeah, I don't get the denial of the trinity just because man called it such without biblical backing.
Thank you for the response, it gives much to think about and more to read/study. My problem is I did prove God/Jesus in scientific terms (at least to me I did) and so I carry on in that direction. It is very difficult. Do you know of Tim Alberino at all and do you listen to him?
I do not know Tim Alberino. The Bible does not use the word trinity, but when Jesus said, I and the Father are one, and again says that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father, and Paul in Colossians 2:9 says "In Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form" and although Jesus departed, the Holy Spirit came, not in his place, but as him in yet another form, the tongues of flame were seen over the disciples heads, and they spoke in tongues, yet understood each other. I was raised in a church that preached the trinity, but I know there are some that do not, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and something called oneness pentacostal, and the Unitarian Universalist, although the latter are not Christian. The joke about Unitarians is, "How do you know there were Unitarians that came to your house?"-"Because you were woken in the middle of the night and found a question mark.burning on your lawn".
She was Jesus’ Mother. All human and chosen. She provide a place for Christ to become both man and God. Otherwise the Trinity would remain totally spirit. Christ accepting His new role as the Perfect man forever changed Him.
You cannot separate the two, God and Jesus are one, we call him his son, because he assumed the life of a human mortal, became incarnate from a woman, born through a womb, and became fully human. God so loved the world, and that love brought him to experience our pain, fully, through his death. By experiencing this pain, every ounce of it, the whippings, the humiliations, the betrayal, the thorns, the nails, the excruciating pain of the cross, forgiveness became the key to our immortality with him. God did not have to do this, God is God, true light from true light, but his LOVE , and by his LOVE, and through his LOVE, we are forgiven, and are urged to forgive our human weakness. It had to be displayed in real time and with real blood and with real loss, for us to understand, to have ears to hear and eyes to see. As we understand, and try our best to return that love, we are redeemed, not only from sin, but from death. If you accept that God is almighty, and capable of creating a Universe, why then can he not change and become mortal and walk with us and talk with us and break bread with us? How can he live with us over two thousand years later? By the Holy Spirit. How can an atom turn into a tree, or a mineral, or a table top, or a fire? Those terrible things you speak of were done by man, not God, by men who turned from HIM. There are two things that are beyond Gods mercy, the harm done to children, and by denying his existence, by denying Christ. Does Jesus drop bombs on children? God is no longer a God of wrath, because his wrath did nothing to change sinful man's ways, but his sacrifice did. I shudder to think what this world would have become without the Christ, the messiah, the wonderful counselor, our Emmanuel. It;s a very good chance that none of us would be here, because we would have wiped ourselves out long ago.
This is something I have questions about. If Jesus is God, then is Mary the mother of God or just Jesus? Mary is a mortal and cannot be the mother of God because God is the eternal sovereign. But she is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God. Help me understand please.
She birthed him.Think of it as a surrogate mother, if you will. Perhaps he received his humanity, or, human experience through her, some of her human dna. God from God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father, which tells me it was a form of Incarnation. We are all carbon based, but we are not a piece of coal. I cannot explain it in scientific terms, but I know that carbon is the key in all molecules that form organic life forms on Earth, If the Holy Spirit as one of the three components of God, and that formed within Mary,, from Marys body, the human birth of God, God did not become Jesus, God was still present, as Christ referred to him as The Father, Now, there are many Christians who do not believe in the Trinity, but right now you are engaging with one who does. God,exists in all 3 forms, at the same time, but remaining the one true God. Nature is a reverberation of this divine mystery, the butterfly starts as an insect egg, turns into a leaf muching worm, and then turns into a butterfly,, I am a gardener, but I cannot slice up a tomato seed and serve it with a salad, I would need a damn small knife. But creation reverberates and echos divinity. In that way, we all call ourselves children of God, but there was just one Christ, God in human form, the Messiah who would usher in a world of Gods love and Gods justice, with Gods laws, which were laid down for us. A final chance for redemption, a human teacher who could speak to his people and disciples to hear, not just some special holy men. He spoke to all, so that all could be saved, because he loves us that much. He sacrificed his son, but he also walked to that cross as an example to us, that as long as we are in human form, we are commanded to obey, be humble, charitable, forgiving, as he was as Jesus the Christ. Is it metaphysical? You betcha, it requires a leap of Faith. Faith is a daily workout, when we see how the world really is, this dimension of the world that we trudge through. Our only hope is Faith.
I have so many people that come to me to talk about scripture that do not believe in the Trinity and I tell them no. Just because the Bible never used the term 'trinity' does not mean that a trinity doesn't exist. The Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit all exist in these peoples version of the scripture but they deny the trinity. I don't understand that either because it clearly exists. It doesn't matter that no one in the bible used that term, it only matters that all three exist and in that we agree. So yeah, I don't get the denial of the trinity just because man called it such without biblical backing.
Thank you for the response, it gives much to think about and more to read/study. My problem is I did prove God/Jesus in scientific terms (at least to me I did) and so I carry on in that direction. It is very difficult. Do you know of Tim Alberino at all and do you listen to him?
I do not know Tim Alberino. The Bible does not use the word trinity, but when Jesus said, I and the Father are one, and again says that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father, and Paul in Colossians 2:9 says "In Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form" and although Jesus departed, the Holy Spirit came, not in his place, but as him in yet another form, the tongues of flame were seen over the disciples heads, and they spoke in tongues, yet understood each other. I was raised in a church that preached the trinity, but I know there are some that do not, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and something called oneness pentacostal, and the Unitarian Universalist, although the latter are not Christian. The joke about Unitarians is, "How do you know there were Unitarians that came to your house?"-"Because you were woken in the middle of the night and found a question mark.burning on your lawn".
T.D. Jakes comes to mind. You cannot go wrong with The Berean Call. Dave Hunt one of the most solid teachers I know. https://www.thebereancall.org/?sapurl=Lys5MjZkL2xiL2xpLyt3dm44dWs4P2JyYW5kaW5nPXRydWUmZW1iZWQ9dHJ1ZSZyZWNlbnRSb3V0ZT1hcHAud2ViLWFwcC5saWJyYXJ5Lmxpc3QmcmVjZW50Um91dGVTbHVnPSUyQnd2bjh1azg=
Also if you like the science part of Creation go here. https://www.icr.org/. Good stuff.
She was Jesus’ Mother. All human and chosen. She provide a place for Christ to become both man and God. Otherwise the Trinity would remain totally spirit. Christ accepting His new role as the Perfect man forever changed Him.