I said what i said. You can make as many interpretations as you want, and i hope I offended you. I don't see the point in devoting what is seemingly unlimited resources to those that won't move society forward. Especially when they're cutting opportunities and positions for the high performers. An 87 IQ person is going to be a good roofer or cashier, but they won't become much more than that in terms of a career.
Public school is just a daycare at this point. I'm not concerned about dreams and ambitions, I want a society that recognizes and rewards talent and ability. Plenty of them will make poor life decisions and squander their talent, I don't want society at large to do that for them.
Yeah, I know the argument. Useless stomachs. Let them starve. We fought a world war against someone who had the same idea. Your objection of "devoting...unlimited resources to those who won't move society forward" is wildly exaggerated, when it seems to be clear that the person in the case is reasonably bright, and the school was just too lazy to teach her. (However, I do get a vibe that she is not much interested in doing the work of learning how to read.) The parents could have taught her; home schooling is famously effective. But in this case, the school system was not merely incompetent or negligent, it was fraudulent---in promising what it did not deliver, and delivering something under false pretenses. Evidence, perhaps, that the school administration was populated with the Under 25% cadre.
Plenty of people at that IQ level are sane and productive---as you admit---but not much below 70. What is your answer? Keep them perpetually in Special Ed daycare? That is how it was done. Drive them off a cliff? Meanwhile, what is wrong with someone who is a good roofer or cashier? Don't we need them, too? Or do we shoot them if they don't become real estate developers or bankers?
My father was a very bright man and a responsible family head. He worked as a railroad shipping clerk and later a refinery technician while raising a family and putting himself through night school to earn a degree in economics and certification as an accountant, studying surveying on the side. He became an accountant, which worked well for a while, until he hit a career reversal just as the Boeing Layoffs occurred, which killed the statewide labor market. The only job left was to be a sexton at a cemetery, which he did, not being too proud to let his family starve. I take your snobbery as a rather personal insult.
High performers are always needed, even if not always appreciated. Plenty of people started at a humble occupation and worked their way up. Part of being a high performer is NOT making poor life decisions. And part of society moving forward is for the decision makers not to make poor employment decisions.
Alright, we're done here. You're an inauthentic person using some AI to enhance your writing. The triple hyphens are a dead giveaway.
You're a hystrionic woman who wildly misinterpreted what I said. Almost to point of comical absurdity. You got deeply offended by my statements which I did appreciate. So, thank you for that.
Classic midwit, or the overused reddit term Dunning-Kruger effect.
And you are soooooo wrong. I use triple hyphens to make a dash. My keyboard doesn't have a dash, and I don't want to use time to go hunting for a symbol insertion. My writing is off the top of my head, so I guess it is a complement for you to say it is "enhanced."
My sex would be a surprise to my wife.
Not spent much time around education? My former spouse was a career first grade teacher and I got a good glimpse of the problems. She specialized in dealing with dyslexia, a serious problem if you are afflicted with it and a major impediment for children in the lower grades (and higher grades, too, if it is not caught and dealt with). Frequently confused for lower IQ.
And the glorious sign of argumentative victory: you insult me and call me names.
Thanks for confirming that you don't know what you are facing, which was my original observation. I've seen the kids that were put in Special Ed. They are peaceful, confused, and mostly empty. Somewhere among them, God denied one 45 IQ points and gave them to me. I think on that a lot. What am I doing with my advantage? The Right Stuff...or simple Overlordship. If you want to know pity, think on "the lower 25%" and stop dismissing them as trash, to be thrown out and forgotten as fellow human beings.
I said what i said. You can make as many interpretations as you want, and i hope I offended you. I don't see the point in devoting what is seemingly unlimited resources to those that won't move society forward. Especially when they're cutting opportunities and positions for the high performers. An 87 IQ person is going to be a good roofer or cashier, but they won't become much more than that in terms of a career.
Public school is just a daycare at this point. I'm not concerned about dreams and ambitions, I want a society that recognizes and rewards talent and ability. Plenty of them will make poor life decisions and squander their talent, I don't want society at large to do that for them.
Yeah, I know the argument. Useless stomachs. Let them starve. We fought a world war against someone who had the same idea. Your objection of "devoting...unlimited resources to those who won't move society forward" is wildly exaggerated, when it seems to be clear that the person in the case is reasonably bright, and the school was just too lazy to teach her. (However, I do get a vibe that she is not much interested in doing the work of learning how to read.) The parents could have taught her; home schooling is famously effective. But in this case, the school system was not merely incompetent or negligent, it was fraudulent---in promising what it did not deliver, and delivering something under false pretenses. Evidence, perhaps, that the school administration was populated with the Under 25% cadre.
Plenty of people at that IQ level are sane and productive---as you admit---but not much below 70. What is your answer? Keep them perpetually in Special Ed daycare? That is how it was done. Drive them off a cliff? Meanwhile, what is wrong with someone who is a good roofer or cashier? Don't we need them, too? Or do we shoot them if they don't become real estate developers or bankers?
My father was a very bright man and a responsible family head. He worked as a railroad shipping clerk and later a refinery technician while raising a family and putting himself through night school to earn a degree in economics and certification as an accountant, studying surveying on the side. He became an accountant, which worked well for a while, until he hit a career reversal just as the Boeing Layoffs occurred, which killed the statewide labor market. The only job left was to be a sexton at a cemetery, which he did, not being too proud to let his family starve. I take your snobbery as a rather personal insult.
High performers are always needed, even if not always appreciated. Plenty of people started at a humble occupation and worked their way up. Part of being a high performer is NOT making poor life decisions. And part of society moving forward is for the decision makers not to make poor employment decisions.
Alright, we're done here. You're an inauthentic person using some AI to enhance your writing. The triple hyphens are a dead giveaway.
You're a hystrionic woman who wildly misinterpreted what I said. Almost to point of comical absurdity. You got deeply offended by my statements which I did appreciate. So, thank you for that.
Classic midwit, or the overused reddit term Dunning-Kruger effect.
And you are soooooo wrong. I use triple hyphens to make a dash. My keyboard doesn't have a dash, and I don't want to use time to go hunting for a symbol insertion. My writing is off the top of my head, so I guess it is a complement for you to say it is "enhanced."
My sex would be a surprise to my wife.
Not spent much time around education? My former spouse was a career first grade teacher and I got a good glimpse of the problems. She specialized in dealing with dyslexia, a serious problem if you are afflicted with it and a major impediment for children in the lower grades (and higher grades, too, if it is not caught and dealt with). Frequently confused for lower IQ.
And the glorious sign of argumentative victory: you insult me and call me names.
Thanks for confirming that you don't know what you are facing, which was my original observation. I've seen the kids that were put in Special Ed. They are peaceful, confused, and mostly empty. Somewhere among them, God denied one 45 IQ points and gave them to me. I think on that a lot. What am I doing with my advantage? The Right Stuff...or simple Overlordship. If you want to know pity, think on "the lower 25%" and stop dismissing them as trash, to be thrown out and forgotten as fellow human beings.