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You seem like you're splitting hairs along the English language. To say that God, his son Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are all one being doesn't make sense. The Mormon Church has something they call the Bishop Bric in each ward. That's made up of the Bishop, his 1st counselor, and his 2nd counselor. Even though it's a Bishop Bric, they are all three separate people.
Ah, yes. The old âGod is like a Bishopricâ analogy. Thatâs a bit like saying the Trinity is just three guys in matching suits who share an office. Cute, but woefully inadequate.
The problem is this: the Bible doesnât say âHear, O Israel: the Lord our Gods, the Lord is a committee.â It says the Lord is one. If your analogy reduces the Creator of heaven and earth to the rough equivalent of a PTA board, then youâve already shown your theology belongs in the sandbox, not the sanctuary.
And as for the claim that âone being, three personsâ doesnât make sense, thatâs exactly the point. Of course the infinite God is beyond your neat little filing system of âmakes sense to me.â If God were no bigger than your capacity to diagram Him on a chalkboard, He wouldnât be God. The biblical Trinity isnât an arbitrary puzzle; itâs the only way to affirm that God is one, that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, all without slipping into polytheism.
Mormonism solves the mystery by throwing the truth overboard. They trade monotheism for tri-theism, and then act like itâs just good plain common sense. But saying âGod is like a Bishopricâ is about as theologically helpful as saying âmarriage is like three bachelors living together.â The analogy explains nothing; it only reveals the bankruptcy of the system.
I'm not splitting hairs. This is basic apologetics for dealing with mormons. Something I have done hundreds and hundreds of times.
How many times have you had discussions, debates, or given the gospel to Mormons exactly?
I got good at this because I did it so much along with other brothers from my church.
I feel like this is an area where you should be asking questions, not making assertions. That's how you gain wisdom.
I've heard other Christian denominations talk about God and his son as being two separate people. The Mormons aren't the only ones. They'll say stuff like God sent his only begotten son down to die on the cross for all of our sins. They'll say the God, the son, and the holy ghost make up the holy trinity. From my experience of visiting several different Christian churches, is that they all seem to have similar beliefs. The only thing different about the Mormons is they believe that a family left Jerusalem back in 600BC to go to America and that's what the Book Of Mormon is based on. I'd suggest that you read the book before formulating an opinion on it. For example: I have never read the Quran; therefore I have no opinion on it.
Well, personally I've had issues understanding the Trinity myself, because strictly speaking, if it was true, then God committed suicide when Jesus died on the cross.
It also brings into question how much of a sacrifice Jesus actually made if he and God are the same, seeing as how he would have known he wouldn't stay dead....
But, đ€·ââïž. I'm no theologian.
Youâve managed to stack misunderstandings like cordwood, and Iâll go ahead and light the match.
First, when historic Christian churches talk about the Father sending the Son, they are not saying âtwo separate beings.â They are distinguishing persons within the one being of God. Thatâs not hair-splitting, thatâs the creedal backbone of Christianity going back to Nicaea. If you canât tell the difference between Trinitarian orthodoxy and Mormon tri-theism, then youâre like someone who canât tell the difference between a steak and a cardboard cutout of a cow.
Second, the notion that the âonlyâ difference between Mormons and Christians is a family hopping on a boat to America is like saying the only difference between whiskey and turpentine is the label on the bottle. No, the difference is lethal. Mormonism teaches a different God, a different Christ, and a different gospel. Thatâs not a side story; thatâs the main story.
Third, âread the book before you criticize itâ sounds very pious, but itâs also very silly. I donât need to drink bleach before concluding itâs not orange juice. The Book of Mormon can be weighed and found wanting on historical, theological, and textual grounds without my slogging through every page of it like itâs War and Peace with a bad plot twist.
And finally, the comparison with the Quran doesnât help your case. I donât need to be a Koranic scholar to say Islam denies the Trinity, just like I donât need to memorize the Book of Mormon to know Mormonism denies the one true God. When a system explicitly tells me it rejects the God who says, âBefore me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me,â I donât need to read their appendix to know weâre not talking about the same faith.
That being said I have read the book of mormon, the pearl of great price, and have books with the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young that were in sermons.
I, unlike you, I'm not only experienced in this area, but I'm also very well read as well. So much so that many Mormons haven't seen some of the things that I've shown them before.... Much less some stranger on the internet that isn't even a Mormon at all and doesn't do Christian apologetics to Mormons. (That's you)
Here are five direct quotes from Joseph Smith and other LDS leaders that come straight out of their canon or official sermonsâpassages most Mormons have never read or donât realize exist. These are the âoh wowâ texts that get swept under the rug:
Why this matters
These arenât fringe crank quotes; theyâre from the founder and second prophet of Mormonism and from their canonized texts.
They teach polytheism, man-to-god exaltation, strange cosmology, polygamy as a divine law, and extra-biblical atonement requirements.
Modern LDS missionaries never bring these up, but historically they were taught as binding doctrine.
Thank you for taking the time to post your multiple very informed and important comments on this thread. None of that minimizes the evil horror the LDS people have experienced this weekend.
The "man-to-god exaltation" point, for me, is particularly a massive issue. Luciferian ascension is subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) a part of almost all false beliefs. Now I don't believe Q meant it that way by "Ascension" but if it were proven to be true beyond any doubt, I would run as far as I could from Q and never look back.
"In the beginning the Word was with God and was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us." It's too easy to underestimate what an incredible act of holy love that was for God to do for us. He decided to take on the form of man as God the Son so He could bear the just punishment for our sin so that we could be reconciled to Him - NOT so that we could become Him.
Because Jesus did not consider equality with God as something to be grasped, He humbled Himself and was obedient to the Father even to death on the cross. THAT's why the Father has elevated Him (the only God-Man) with a name of above all names Whose throne will endure forever. Everything about Jesus' being / essence and His Life is the polar opposite of Luciferian ascension.
Edit: I think you'll really enjoy the video referenced in this post (linked below in this comment). You probably already know everything he exposes about LDS, but maybe the video itself would be a useful tool in your arsenal. Thank you again for your comments!
https://greatawakening.win/p/19BZz55w26/the-biggest-lie-in-the-world-god/c/
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