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BREAKING: USA just closed off the airspace near Puerto Rico with a NOTAM announcing hot pit refueling at the local airport. Hot pit refuelling means aircraft are refuelled with their engines still running so they can take off quickly again. Long night ahead for Maduro… (media.scored.co) 🚀 PRECIPICE 🚀
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– en_folkefiende 3 points 215 days ago +3 / -0

Great. But there's more than one way to not be a passive cuck, as you say.

Tariff the HELL out of them. Help motivate Venezuelans to take up arms against Maduro and take back their country. Fund their cause. That too would get it done.

Regime change? Yeah. That worked out GREAT for us in the Middle East. As if.

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– en_folkefiende 2 points 215 days ago +2 / -0

Actually, w/ the ever-sucking War in Ukraine, the kinetic part of WW3 has been underway for over three years now.

I get the ties between the CCP and Venezuela.

And I'm still waiting for Trump and Marco or somebody to make the case that it's in the best interest of the American people to war against Venezuela.

It's not that I'm not listening. A strong case - with details - has yet to be made.

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– en_folkefiende 2 points 215 days ago +2 / -0

Let's agree to press Pause on that, since neither of us can know the future. Time will tell whether a limited engagement is possible or not.

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– Metalheads4Trump 2 points 215 days ago +2 / -0

Military action does not instantly equal, “regime change.” Wouldn’t Trump motivating and funding Venezuelans be the same thing you’re proposing against? Seems a little too “concern trolling” for me.

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– en_folkefiende 2 points 215 days ago +2 / -0

I'm not trolling at all. I've simply had it with involvements where we, the American public, haven't been given enough of the receipts to feel comfortable w/ military action abroad.

Iran? Israel told us they were two weeks from having nuclear capability. So we bombed their installations. Then we learned, Oh, actually, it was two years.

SICK AND TIRED of being played. That's all.

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– mac1221 1 point 215 days ago +1 / -0

The people are unarmed and in fear. Venezuela has already been under sanctions for years and the only ones that ultimately get hurt are the people - they are victims.

Maduro makes plenty of money from his criminal connections that give him money. I keep saying, this is not about Venezuela or Maduro per se. This is about criminal networks and Communism in our own backyard. There is this thing called the Monroe Doctrine. They all are existential threats to the US. Besides, who said we were going to war? This is all saber rattling and strategic positioning. A strategy that has worked for Trump more than once.

As far as nation building in the ME; that was the DS C_A that had other agendas while they were feeding the American people a line of bull. That is not what is going on here in this situation. If there is regime change in Venezuela, fine. But that is not why Trump is taking the actions that he has. It is much bigger than simply trying to depose a dictator. The CCP, cartels, the Islamists, and a whole host of others, are all actively operating out of Venezuela to destroy the US - operations that Maduro and his cronies are paid handsomely.

Trump's negotiations with the rest of Latin America will be easier if Trump can take the Maduro card and some of their networks off the table. Many of these countries are also afraid of the cartels. The CCP created a chokehold in Latin America through soft power and economics. The US has already paid a huge price for allowing this situation to grow. What Trump is doing right now is the only thing these people understand - strength. But that is not the same thing as going to war with a sovereign nation. Our beef is not with Venezuela, but with the criminals and thugs operating there.

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– en_folkefiende 1 point 213 days ago +1 / -0

I understand that. But I disagree with the notion that we can just waltz into Venezuela, send a bit of shock and awe, and they'll surrender w/o any real blood or treasure lost to the families of American servicemen and women.

Maduro has an army ready to go. If we go there, it's not going to be immediate. And it's going to be ugly. Maduro's survival - in power and his life - depend on it.

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– mac1221 2 points 212 days ago +2 / -0

Nobody is saying the US is going to commit ground forces in Venezuela. That is not how Trump operates. He will however, use the force of our military by other means - such as naval, airpower, along with cyber and electronic warfare. Ask Iran how that worked out. Trump will not send ground forces to spill the blood of our soldiers on foreign shores - a promise I have no doubt that he will keep. Venezuela has no defense against what we are capable of doing without a single boot stepping foot there.

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– en_folkefiende 2 points 212 days ago +2 / -0

Thanks for that. I get nervous whenever I see Lindsey Graham eroticizing over the prospect of another endless war. You're likely right. Hope so.

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