A person chooses to go to the bar and drink up a tab. Some jobs “require” these pieces of paper. Because that’s all these universities are charging for, a piece of paper. And they want you in severe debt to get it. Just to get a job you want and or are good at. My son coulda taught music straight from HS. But of course that isn’t allowed. Had to spend 4 yrs in college to get a dang degree. Luckily he earned scholarships and only has to pay back 20k. But overall that schooling cost 100k if he hadn’t had those scholarships. Ridiculous. They’ve laid a path to education in debt. Not sure how that’s relates to a drunk in a bar. Education shouldn’t cost what it does, period. Wanna get drunk, wanna run up a tab, that’s on you.
It’s definitely curious what kinds of debt cancellation those on this board support and don’t support depending on who they perceive benefitting from it.
None honestly. If you make the choice to do something, then live with the terms. That is the only way to do it. Once you open pandoras box on that it never stops. Plenty examples of this in the world today....
But just because you made the choice doesn’t make that choice valid. What other “choice” do you have? If you want to be a nurse, what other paths can you choose? So now that you want debt, you’ll go work at Tyson instead. Gutting pigs and chicken. That’s an amazing choice there…..This debt shouldn’t exist for this kind of schooling. We need nurses. I just got out of the hospital and those nurses were amazing. All of them from the ER to the hospital stay. Amazing. I’d glad they are there. So what other options can they choose other than this scam laid in debt? There is no choice. So therefore something needs to be done.
I think of the “pandemic”. They basically gave you “no choice”. Yet we did have a choice. But that doesn’t relate to that piece of paper needed to get these jobs. There is no other path. And we need, need, many of these people in these positions. Love to hear the other options.
I was referring to the choice to be the nurse to use your example. Knowing you need the paper, knowing it comes with debt, knowing you will be making 6 figures and if you make proper budget choices then you can pay it off.
I understand what you are saying that needed professions such as nurses, doctors, engineers, etc are needed and you need the credentials to get in the door. I agree that college is way too expensive and its for profit, not for education. Look at college football coaches making millions in salary.
But the point I was making is say you forgive nurses. Doctors would be in that too. Then pharmacists, engineers, etc. It will just keep ballooning out. Then when half have forgiveness and the other half doesn't, obviously you know what comes next.
I think these jobs I have mentioned above should all go the way of trade school. Where you are paid while you learn and get hands on experience as you go. Then upon completion you get a big raise and are off into the world.
There are several ways it could be helped but just straight up forgiveness isn't the play IMO.
A person chooses to go to the bar and drink up a tab. Some jobs “require” these pieces of paper. Because that’s all these universities are charging for, a piece of paper. And they want you in severe debt to get it. Just to get a job you want and or are good at. My son coulda taught music straight from HS. But of course that isn’t allowed. Had to spend 4 yrs in college to get a dang degree. Luckily he earned scholarships and only has to pay back 20k. But overall that schooling cost 100k if he hadn’t had those scholarships. Ridiculous. They’ve laid a path to education in debt. Not sure how that’s relates to a drunk in a bar. Education shouldn’t cost what it does, period. Wanna get drunk, wanna run up a tab, that’s on you.
It’s definitely curious what kinds of debt cancellation those on this board support and don’t support depending on who they perceive benefitting from it.
None honestly. If you make the choice to do something, then live with the terms. That is the only way to do it. Once you open pandoras box on that it never stops. Plenty examples of this in the world today....
But just because you made the choice doesn’t make that choice valid. What other “choice” do you have? If you want to be a nurse, what other paths can you choose? So now that you want debt, you’ll go work at Tyson instead. Gutting pigs and chicken. That’s an amazing choice there…..This debt shouldn’t exist for this kind of schooling. We need nurses. I just got out of the hospital and those nurses were amazing. All of them from the ER to the hospital stay. Amazing. I’d glad they are there. So what other options can they choose other than this scam laid in debt? There is no choice. So therefore something needs to be done. I think of the “pandemic”. They basically gave you “no choice”. Yet we did have a choice. But that doesn’t relate to that piece of paper needed to get these jobs. There is no other path. And we need, need, many of these people in these positions. Love to hear the other options.
I was referring to the choice to be the nurse to use your example. Knowing you need the paper, knowing it comes with debt, knowing you will be making 6 figures and if you make proper budget choices then you can pay it off.
I understand what you are saying that needed professions such as nurses, doctors, engineers, etc are needed and you need the credentials to get in the door. I agree that college is way too expensive and its for profit, not for education. Look at college football coaches making millions in salary.
But the point I was making is say you forgive nurses. Doctors would be in that too. Then pharmacists, engineers, etc. It will just keep ballooning out. Then when half have forgiveness and the other half doesn't, obviously you know what comes next.
I think these jobs I have mentioned above should all go the way of trade school. Where you are paid while you learn and get hands on experience as you go. Then upon completion you get a big raise and are off into the world.
There are several ways it could be helped but just straight up forgiveness isn't the play IMO.