President Trump Had Every Right to Pardon Tina Peters Because Biden’s Federal Agencies Were All Over the Tina Peters Case | Joe ...
The Federal Government was totally involved in Tina Peters' investigation and arrest, which is a key reason President Trump has the right to pardon Tina Peters. Former Mesa County, Colorado Election Clerk Tina Peters broke no state or federal laws by backi...
Federal-State showdown is coming!
So are we in favor of federal over state rights now?
How is that going to play our with abortion laws, 99% of which are at the state level?
Very, very few federal abortion laws.
Or is this going to be the typical pick and choose style we usually do? Support federal powers in the one or two cases it supports what we want, and then say the federal powers of the government are what's ruining this country the rest of the time?
I'd just like to be prepared when then flip flop comes in the future.
It’s only if the Feds have any supremacy in the case. Remember Kennedy enforcing civil rights laws against Gov Wallace in Alabama.
I’m struggling here. I’m generally for small government and for states laws
But there’s a cancer in the criminal justice reform system. These terrible judges keep letting these violent criminals out
I see nothing wrong with some sort of federal structure here to course correct things like this
Then it has to be done properly and laws changed to allow the President to issue.pardons for non-federal charges. It can't just be done willy nilly with no legal backing.
Yup! That's next & it has a lot to do with Venezuela & Maduro's singing generals.
I would like to see how that plays into the Colorado case and the rest of the fraudulent voting that took place .
Good Read. Makes a lot of strong points. 🤓
No, legally speaking he doesn't have the right to pardon her.
She was.convicted of a state crime. By the state of CO. You can try to finagle it in any way you want but those are actual facts. Presidental pardons only cover federal convictions. She was not convicted of any federal crimes. It doesn't matter if anyone involved in federal offices were involved in investigations or anything. If she had been tried by the Federal government and 6found guilty, then sure, the President could have pardoned here. But she wasn't. This makes as much sense as saying that if any information was provided by state personnel or departments, or state investogations were done at all and used in a federal case, which happens all the time, then a President can not pardon a federal case, because the state was involved heavily in the case. It's just hand wavy nonsense.
There surely have to be some actual, real, valid, feasible, legal ways to help her. Getting so obsessed over the one way that absolutely can NOT help her is just nonsensical. It's just appeals to those who want and easy way for President Trump to sign a piece of paper and say "There! All done!" Even if it's all just make believe and won't ever actually accomplishing anything. Other than making us all look ignorant for not understanding how Presidental pardons work.
Oh, and I would LOVE to see what people's reactions would be to the next Democrat president trying this same thing on his friends and such who are serving time under state convictions. I'm sure everyone will be in favor of that shitshow. Right? 🙄
This is about the Supremacy Clause and the fact Federal Election Laws take precedence over State Election Laws.
If I understand the case correctly her defense was prevented from presenting the Federal Records retention laws and that her actions were in compliance with Federal requirements. And, that the state laws she was charged with violating are in conflict with Federal Statutes.
Finally, the Elections Clause of the Constitution gives states some latitude in setting their own election laws, but gives Congress the ultimate authority to regulate elections.
No. Just 100% no on everything you said. That's not how the law works. None of this is going to turn out like you're speculating here. Supremacy Clause / Elections Clause arguments—even if valid—are things you raise on appeal as constitutional/preemption claims. They don’t expand Article II pardon power. A presidential pardon is limited to “Offenses against the United States” (federal offenses). A state conviction stays a state conviction no matter how many federal agents participated in investigation or evidence-sharing. If the goal is getting her out, the real lanes are Colorado appeal/postconviction and Colorado clemency (governor), and potentially federal habeas after state remedies are exhausted—not a presidential pardon.
She was convicted in a court of law in CO, of a state crime, in CO. It doesn't matter what all else was involved None of it. It doesnt magically make it ok for a President to try to use his powers to grant pardons to people charged with federal crimes to people charged with state crimes. You can't just find all the ways to wedge the word "federal" into the topic to make state and federal become interchangeable. You're setting yourself up for a huge letdown, giving other anons false hope, and making all of us look silly.
If anything comes out like you're saying here, I will never post here again. I will give up every effort I make in trying to keep anons from going off the rails and making us all look retarded. This I swear to you.
But if you're wrong, and None of what you're saying here comes to pass, you have to stop running around pulling half-thought ideas of what the law should be like out of your butt and proclaiming them as valid.
Deal? Let's set a time limit on this, so it doesn't just get memory holed like every other nutty ass thing that gets passed around. It usually only takes about 2 weeks ,on average, to have someone released from prison/jail after a (real) presidential pardon. Let's be generous and give it 6 months. We'll check in with each other each Saturday to see what's going on with this pardon. What say you?
Actually what I said came from an argument presented by her attorneys. I picked up on it in this article which speculated a Presidential Pardon might be issued to provoke a Supreme Court case.
I also don’t believe President Trump would frivolously issue a pardon without an endgame in mind. But, I’m up for checking in occasionally to see how this turns out.
And it's still nonsense. So how long will you give it before giving up on this idea? Like I said before, on average it takes about two weeks for somebody to be released on a Presidential pardon. Sometimes it's the same day. So, one month, 3.months 6 months? A year?
People tend to just memory hold this type of thing. So how long will you give it before you think it's just not going to happen?
I agree Tina Peters isn’t going to be released anytime soon. So, we either have to conclude President Trump did something purely symbolic, or, his target is to eventually get her released.
Based on President Trump’s record, he isn’t a person who does things that are merely symbolic. I think this Federal Pardon is part of the narrative that will lead up to the eventual reveal that the 2020 election was stolen and how it was done.
A big part of the how was exploiting the patchwork state level control of Federal Elections and the fact many states intentionally fail to comply with Federal Election Standards. And, again, establishing election standards is an enumerated power given to Congress, not the States.
Obviously this all revolves around the belief the 2020 election was rigged and that irrefutable evidence will eventually be revealed. If that never happens, Tina Peters will serve out her sentence. If it does happen her jailers will be facing jail time.
Do I know what will really happen? Of course not. But, I don’t believe the Framers intended to have a situation where a citizen can be imprisoned for violating a state law that usurps an enumerated power of the Federal Government.
Edit: I am able to admit I am wrong. I will admit that I am wrong if the midterm elections are still conducted under the same shoddy conditions we’ve witnessed over the past several years.
Same with Chauvin unfortunately.
I dearly hope those that made up the charges on Peters will be held accountable. Disbarment, prosecuted and jailed!