Reference Point:
Promethean Update - They Lied About Turning Point: Vance Exposes the REAL Operation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Qdppy5xNQ
Highly recommended.
A lot of what the Promethean ladies say makes a lot of sense to me.
So, I decided to ask Grok what it thought about the significance of TPUSA in the re-election of Donald Trump in 2024.
https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=2003333876006203420
"How significant do you think the work or action of TPUSA was in the election of Donald Trump in 2024?"
"Turning Point USA (TPUSA), founded by Charlie Kirk, played a notable role in Donald Trump's 2024 presidential victory, particularly through its focus on youth mobilization, voter turnout efforts, and grassroots organizing in key swing states."
Key Contributions:
Youth Voter Engagement and Turnout
Ground Game and Voter Mobilization
Alliance with Trump and MAGA Ecosystem
ON that last point:
TPUSA evolved from a campus group into a major Trump ally, providing infrastructure for rallies, endorsements, and post-election lobbying (e.g., pushing for Trump's cabinet picks). Their efforts built on work since 2016, though 2020 was a setback; by 2024, they were seen as a "powerful grassroots machine."
I tend to focus more on the psyop/anon-level of information, so I never paid much attention to TPUSA or Charlie Kirk, as they were/are decidedly more mainstream. But, they have been thrust directly into the 'truther' space, overlapping anon space, but the recent developments, including the rise of 'controversy' in the aftermath of the Kirk murder.
However, if you step back and look at the bigger picture, a lot of things make sense. I.e. the intense attack on TPUSA, starting with the murder of Charlie Kirk. The targeting of the youth sector, particularly the young men.
While certain inflooencers proclaim they are "America First" and "Conservative", even well, 'Trump Supporters', their underlying messages are consistently 'do not trust Trump', 'the Administration has gone wrong/cannot be trusted', etc.
In my opinion, it's exceedingly important to be able to step back from the chaotic fighting and criticizing and attacking, and consider other potential explanations for how certain actors are behaving.
Trump needs the People on his side but also the Congress on his side going forward. The mid-terms are going to be a critical battle.
How would the opponents of Trump see TPUSA and Charlie Kirk? As an organization that MUST be stopped? At all costs?
Easy to imagine.
This Promethean Update goes into a lot of this, but for me the key and salient point she emphasizes is one I would like to continually impress upon all the frogs gathering at the GAW waterhole (quoting William Sargent's 1957 book "Battle for the mind":
Various types of belief can be implanted in many people, after brain function has been sufficiently disturbed by accidentally or deliberately induced fear, anger or excitement. Of the results caused by such disturbances, the most common one is temporarily impaired judgement and heightened suggestibility.
Its various group manifestations are sometimes classed under the heading of “herd instinct,” and appear most spectacularly in wartime, during severe epidemics, and in all similar periods of common danger, which increase anxiety and so individual and mass suggestibility.”
heightened suggestibility
wartime, epidemics (boy, did he call that one)
fear, anger or excitement
For anons, the last one is really important. Because most of us have broken free of the mainstream matrix, but we are very much being targeted and are also 'susceptible' to all sort of psyops because of that.
One you step outside the matrix, then it really IS 'down the rabbit hole'. You enter the middle of the battle ground of psychological operations, operations being conducted by opposing forces who have had decades and decades of practice at refining their techniques, skills, not to mention having access to huge resources that we cannot compete with.
All we have is our collective hive mind, a powerful spiritual underpinning in that God wants truth to reign in the world, and whatever levels of discernment we can muster.
Think about what Donald Trump is up against. Then think about what forces WE are up against, what intel and psychological warfare forces we have put ourselves in the line of.
How to deal with a barrage of psychological battles?
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Step back, look at the bigger picture.
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Don't just take people (aka 'actors' - inflooencers, pundits, people we think are allies, etc) at face value but also do not dismiss your own prejudices and do not downplay your own susceptibility to manipulation.
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Look for tell tale signs of psychological manipulation: sensationalism, highly emotive arguments, painted 'heroes' and 'evil enemies', polarization and the injection of divisive narratives, negative messages embedded in what looks like 80% 'friendly' narratives, etc.
If you measure what people are doing and what impact they are having by: does this ADVANCE the Donald Trump agenda, or does this negatively impact on it? you might get a clearer picture of what people's real objectives are, regardless of what they say to your face.
Because the FIRST thing the psychological manipulation does is to try to get you buried in tunnel vision. Get you buried in your own opinion, focused on one particular area to distract you from that larger picture, because the larger picture provides perspective and context that helps you to sift the signal from the noise.
End thought: I haven't looked closely at the TPUSA Amfest thing, but even a superficial view inspires me with hope. What exactly?
Conflicting views being expressed from the stage: eg. Ben Shapiro vs Tucker Carlson, vs Steve Bannon, vs Megyn Kelly, etc
That's healthy, and good. And apparently 'TPUSA defended allowing unscripted speeches to promote open debate'. I think that's actually a positive sign, although those that hate Trump and the MAGA movement will do their best to paint that as 'conflict, fracturing, downfall' (aka doomerism).
Regardless of what you think of all or any of the actors involved, I recommend putting all those opinions aside and asking the simple, basic question: Do you trust Donald Trump, and if so, what advances the mission of Donald Trump?
It's not about not having disagreements. It's about the common goals that we are actually fighting for. Unity does not come from an absence of disagreement. It comes from a willing engagement to work on and achieve common goals and shared objectives, goals that are based on first-principle priorities that truly serve a higher priority than just 'me'.
I trust Jesus, and I accept Donald Trump as the person He chose to run this country at this time. Beyond that, I don't trust a soul on earth. I accept them, for what they proport to be, but if they have ulterior agendas that I didn't subscribe to, they can have their place among the satanists for all I care. And if they have sub-par ability for the office in which they've been appointed, or their sins compromise them in some way so as to throw off their godly direction, I am equally against whatever they end up becoming and where they take the country.
I literally do not give a fuck right now, any one of you can fight me on this. Go on and tell me it's ok for the NWO Skynet total surveillance state to be built on the back of illegal immigrant vetting and child prons. Go ahead tell me how it makes sense
An evil man and a good man are in a room with you. There is one gun in the room. You cant have it, so which of those men do you want in control of that gun? China and russia are building similar systems. Is our not having it stopping us from being subjected to it. Or do we build and control it? Oh, the old what if rhe bad guys win the next election? I guess if we cant pay attention to it we deserve what ever we get. Having said that, God has never let me down and i dont believe Jesus placed trump into power. I do believe God has helped trump on our behalf. Not the same thing. Ive never made man my sufficiency amd wont start now, but i want the freest cointry we can make to worship God freely in. I can tell you right now we are freer than we were 9 years ago. Espescially our minds if we choose to be. Nothing can defeat the believer but fear. Nothing.
If there's only one gun in the room? And I didn't bring it? And it's not on me? I screwed up, big.
I snerked, but the post you're replying to has a solid point.
There are many "guns" in this "room" we are in. We need to train with whichever ones suit our fighting style.
People dis AI (hereinafter referred to as LLMs) because so much low effort content is made (aka "AI slop"), but the fact of the matter is that the tool/weapon is only as good as the hand that wields it.
LLMs have no discernment, they are glorified search engines and will deliver what you ask them for. They don't know to NOT use Google and Wikipedia, so if you ask them about Fulton Co. voter fraud they'll tell you it doesn't exist. UNLESS you tell them to ignore Google and Wikipedia, and maybe include Yandex.
The above is just one simple example of how using an LLM in information warfare can be helpful. I use it regularly for looking up laws and court cases, stuff that Google (and any cursed "search engine" that uses Google results) will never show me.
Just in case I didn't make myself clear, there are many "guns" in the room, and LLMs are just one of them. I recommend Gab AI or Lumo (Proton's LLM). Gab lets you pick which LLM you want to use (there are quite a few) and train it as you like. Lumo is private and secure, but remembers NOTHING between sessions.
Good take. I personally trust Trump's why, but only to a certain extent. But he keeps rewarding my trust and that's a very unique thing. I think it's why most of us here love and support him so much, but refuse to take orders (in a sense--or just follow him blindly in lockstep) from him unless we actually agree with him (i.e. the vaccine, support of Israel, etc.).
I think there's a REASON he publicly supported the vaccine, even though I suspect he was hoping very few of us would take it. I think he's clearly fighting tooth and nail to the death with Israel behind the scenes, even though he plays so freaking nice with them in front of the camera. I would prefer a man play nice in front of the camera with the enemy and fight them behind the scenes, than fight them on camera and secretly collude with them behind the scenes, as normal politicians have done ("In front of the camera Dems and Reps pretend to hate each other, but when the cameras are off they go to the same parties and work for the same people" -Jesse Ventura).
The hard thing is sometimes is getting people to see that last part.