The headline claimed something is happening now (data centers being “made” to get their own power).
I asked the obvious “is that real and how?” question.
If the answer is actually “it’s future” or “it’s behind the scenes,” then the headline is just not true yet, and it’s not crazy to ask for evidence.
Belief about what will happen ≠ proof it already happened.
That’s the whole point. It's just that simple.
Someone is claiming that it's already happening. I ask for evidence that it's happening. People point to a post where Trump is saying what he wants to happen in the future and that he's going to talk to the companies in the future.
And people are upset at me because I'm living in the present, not the future. 🤷♀️
Those articles show data centers building on-site generation because the grid is congested and slow, not because Trump issued a requirement.
They’re solving a capacity bottleneck, not following a mandate.
Totally different question than the headline here, which is policy claim vs. market behavior.
We're going back and forth because the OP is living in one possible future outcome and I'm living in the present.
Because President Trump has said what should happen and said that he was going to speak to the companies and the OP just jumped into their time machine and traveled straight to the point in time where AI centers were made to foot the entire bill for the energy required for the new data centers and consumers no longer had to pay for the spikes in their electric bills.
And people are apparently upset because they think me questioning what the OP is claiming = me calling President Trump a liar. 🤷♀️
And somehow me living in the present is somehow a threat to whatever will happen in the future. Like I jeopardize the space-time continuim because I ask for evidence of these mandates being used now. 🙄
Dude, or ma'am, I understand what you are saying and I would like facts and written policy too, and it seems we don't have that right now. However, this has started a discussion, and that is the first step in making policy. I do applaud you for asking questions.
Thanks. I was getting the feeling I was in Bizarro World because of the hostility I was getting because I asked some basic questions instead of just believing something because some random person made a claim...
Just...this deal with people believing pretty much anything they see posted here, without doing any work to verify it at all boggles my mind.
Especially when this is supposed to be an elite research board.
And Q literally told us to question everything.
But that seems to have morphed into:
"Question nothing you see here.
and
"Even the most basic of research is too much bother. Just post any old thing here. Doesn't matter if it's true or not."
I would like facts and written policy too, and it seems we don't have that right now.
:facepalm: it’s always fun when you say something and it’s not accepted, then someone else says the same thing and the response comes back “yeah, of course!”
Sorry, you’re asking for things I can’t provide. All I can say is you currently have me agreeing with a poster I don’t typically agree with, and I’ll leave it at that.
Well, if the reason you can't provide it is because it doesn't exist (which seems to be the most likely scenario here) then that pretty much proves my point.
The headline claimed something is happening now (data centers being “made” to get their own power).
I asked the obvious “is that real and how?” question.
If the answer is actually “it’s future” or “it’s behind the scenes,” then the headline is just not true yet, and it’s not crazy to ask for evidence.
Belief about what will happen ≠ proof it already happened.
That’s the whole point. It's just that simple.
Someone is claiming that it's already happening. I ask for evidence that it's happening. People point to a post where Trump is saying what he wants to happen in the future and that he's going to talk to the companies in the future.
And people are upset at me because I'm living in the present, not the future. 🤷♀️
Y'all are going back and forth calling heads and tails. It's the same coin. But here ya go...
https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/ai-data-centers-desperate-for-electricity-are-building-their-own-power-plants-291f5c81
https://grist.org/energy/data-centers-are-building-their-own-gas-power-plants-in-texas/
https://www.leylinecapital.com/news/ai-data-centers-desperate-for-electricity-are-building-their-own-power-plants
https://blog.ucs.org/mike-jacobs/power-hungry-why-data-centers-are-developing-their-own-energy-sources-to-fuel-ai/
I think you know how to use a search engine.
Those articles show data centers building on-site generation because the grid is congested and slow, not because Trump issued a requirement.
They’re solving a capacity bottleneck, not following a mandate.
Totally different question than the headline here, which is policy claim vs. market behavior.
We're going back and forth because the OP is living in one possible future outcome and I'm living in the present.
Because President Trump has said what should happen and said that he was going to speak to the companies and the OP just jumped into their time machine and traveled straight to the point in time where AI centers were made to foot the entire bill for the energy required for the new data centers and consumers no longer had to pay for the spikes in their electric bills.
And people are apparently upset because they think me questioning what the OP is claiming = me calling President Trump a liar. 🤷♀️
And somehow me living in the present is somehow a threat to whatever will happen in the future. Like I jeopardize the space-time continuim because I ask for evidence of these mandates being used now. 🙄
Dude, or ma'am, I understand what you are saying and I would like facts and written policy too, and it seems we don't have that right now. However, this has started a discussion, and that is the first step in making policy. I do applaud you for asking questions.
Thanks. I was getting the feeling I was in Bizarro World because of the hostility I was getting because I asked some basic questions instead of just believing something because some random person made a claim...
Just...this deal with people believing pretty much anything they see posted here, without doing any work to verify it at all boggles my mind.
Especially when this is supposed to be an elite research board.
And Q literally told us to question everything.
But that seems to have morphed into:
"Question nothing you see here.
and
"Even the most basic of research is too much bother. Just post any old thing here. Doesn't matter if it's true or not."
:facepalm: it’s always fun when you say something and it’s not accepted, then someone else says the same thing and the response comes back “yeah, of course!”
Kek.
Words. Amiright?
Sorry, you’re asking for things I can’t provide. All I can say is you currently have me agreeing with a poster I don’t typically agree with, and I’ll leave it at that.
Well, if the reason you can't provide it is because it doesn't exist (which seems to be the most likely scenario here) then that pretty much proves my point.
Funny how we are both looking at validation of our direct claims, and yet still both think the other one is wrong or missing something, innit?
Yeah. It's hilarious....