He went downtown to interfere with law enforcement with a gun on his person. A very, very bad decision.
He's more concerned about illegal aliens being deported than he is about the politicians he no doubt voted for that stole billions in tax dollars.
There is a cacophony of noise around the ICE officers.
There was about one second between the gun being revealed and him being shot.
ICE officers want to go home to their families alive.
It is one thing to feel sorrow for the loss of life and for the people who cared about this man. It is another thing to make excuses for him. No ICE officer should be disciplined for this action. This is a man engaging in several very stupid decisions and things went badly for him. That's it.
This is the correct conclusion. He may have had a knife, maybe a second gun. May have reached for an officers gun. The fact that he purposfully put himself in danger, and especially in a way that was threataning to officers, resisting, etc. It is all on him what happened.
The main point: IT WAS HIS DECISION TO PUT HIMSELF IN A DANGEROUS POSITION. PERIOD. This was easily avoidable.
EVERYONE WITH AN IQ >40 KNOWS COPS CAN AND WILL JUSTIFIABLY DEFEND THEMSELVES, AND IF YOU HAVE ONE OR MORE GUNS AND ACT THE WAY HE DID, IT WILL BE JUSTIFIABLE DEFENCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS. NO ARGUMENTS. 100% HIS FAULT.
A person must take responsability for their actions, especially if you are gonna insert yourself into a situation like this.
Ultimate definition of FAFO.
No real need for further discussion until definitive facts/footage come in.
Not at all. Perhaps I should elaborate on my logic:
I have had a concealed carry license for many years. When one has that license and that handgun on their person, there is an enormous responsibility to be a little smarter, a little more patient, a little less quick to anger and to express good judgement around the police.
Every interaction with law enforcement carries risk. It's one of the reasons I've been a vocal opponent of frivolous laws on the books. Look no further than 2014's death of Eric Garner over a "loosey" cigarette. Every interaction with law enforcement carries risk and that risk automatically increases when you are legally armed.
This man took an extremely high risk action by inserting himself into a legal law enforcement action that didn't concern him. This is poor judgement when unarmed but extraordinarily poor judgement when armed. Doubly so when these legal law enforcement actions are surrounded by a cacophony of screaming & whistles & abuse, to say nothing of the pressure cooker that Minnesota & Minneapolis politicians have created with their rhetoric and radicalization of a portion of the citizenry.
Short of the entire crowd singing NWA's "Fuck the Police" at the top of their lungs, every ingredient was present for a law enforcement officer to get twitchy.
Conversely:
Though it was a poor decision by everyone who entered the capital building that day, Ashli Babbit was not armed. And her presence was directly facilitated by both the capitol police and those who commanded them. Ashli was not interfering with a law enforcement action and appeared to be picked almost at random for targeting. Perhaps most importantly, there was no reason for the officer to believe she was a threat to his person. That is not the case with Alex Pretti.
To be very clear, I am not a "Thin Blue Liner", it's an area of disagreement between myself and the President. But this situation is a pressure cooker and Pretti knowingly inserted himself directly into that pressure and increased it.
I judge it.
He went downtown to interfere with law enforcement with a gun on his person. A very, very bad decision.
He's more concerned about illegal aliens being deported than he is about the politicians he no doubt voted for that stole billions in tax dollars.
There is a cacophony of noise around the ICE officers.
There was about one second between the gun being revealed and him being shot.
ICE officers want to go home to their families alive.
It is one thing to feel sorrow for the loss of life and for the people who cared about this man. It is another thing to make excuses for him. No ICE officer should be disciplined for this action. This is a man engaging in several very stupid decisions and things went badly for him. That's it.
This is the correct conclusion. He may have had a knife, maybe a second gun. May have reached for an officers gun. The fact that he purposfully put himself in danger, and especially in a way that was threataning to officers, resisting, etc. It is all on him what happened.
The main point: IT WAS HIS DECISION TO PUT HIMSELF IN A DANGEROUS POSITION. PERIOD. This was easily avoidable. EVERYONE WITH AN IQ >40 KNOWS COPS CAN AND WILL JUSTIFIABLY DEFEND THEMSELVES, AND IF YOU HAVE ONE OR MORE GUNS AND ACT THE WAY HE DID, IT WILL BE JUSTIFIABLE DEFENCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS. NO ARGUMENTS. 100% HIS FAULT. A person must take responsability for their actions, especially if you are gonna insert yourself into a situation like this.
Ultimate definition of FAFO.
No real need for further discussion until definitive facts/footage come in.
There were 4 shots fired.
The ICE agents do not start to move back until the first one is fired.
Then there is a pause, followed by 3 shots in rapid succession.
This is only speculation but he was resisting, decided to go for his gun, squeezed off one shot and ended up with 3 in the back for his trouble.
With your logic you’re fine with Ashli Babbit death as well?
Not at all. Perhaps I should elaborate on my logic:
I have had a concealed carry license for many years. When one has that license and that handgun on their person, there is an enormous responsibility to be a little smarter, a little more patient, a little less quick to anger and to express good judgement around the police.
Every interaction with law enforcement carries risk. It's one of the reasons I've been a vocal opponent of frivolous laws on the books. Look no further than 2014's death of Eric Garner over a "loosey" cigarette. Every interaction with law enforcement carries risk and that risk automatically increases when you are legally armed.
This man took an extremely high risk action by inserting himself into a legal law enforcement action that didn't concern him. This is poor judgement when unarmed but extraordinarily poor judgement when armed. Doubly so when these legal law enforcement actions are surrounded by a cacophony of screaming & whistles & abuse, to say nothing of the pressure cooker that Minnesota & Minneapolis politicians have created with their rhetoric and radicalization of a portion of the citizenry.
Short of the entire crowd singing NWA's "Fuck the Police" at the top of their lungs, every ingredient was present for a law enforcement officer to get twitchy.
Conversely:
Though it was a poor decision by everyone who entered the capital building that day, Ashli Babbit was not armed. And her presence was directly facilitated by both the capitol police and those who commanded them. Ashli was not interfering with a law enforcement action and appeared to be picked almost at random for targeting. Perhaps most importantly, there was no reason for the officer to believe she was a threat to his person. That is not the case with Alex Pretti.
To be very clear, I am not a "Thin Blue Liner", it's an area of disagreement between myself and the President. But this situation is a pressure cooker and Pretti knowingly inserted himself directly into that pressure and increased it.