If anyone had any doubts about Trump's popularity amongst MAGA as we head to midterms, Big thanks to Massie for putting them to rest 🙏
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Over the last decade, a ton of people have gone up against Trump, and Trump has always prevailed. There is a reason for this, and Anons know why.
Yet many Anons were starting to think that we will be screwed in midterms because Trump waged "unpopular" war in Iran, "supports" Israel, etc etc.
If anyone could have proven Trump wrong, it was Massie. If anyone could have driven a wedge and divided MAGA, it was Massie, because he made simplistic claims that appealed to people on the right who weren't paying close attention to the 5D chess being played.
And he lost.
With that he proved that MAGA train has no breaks, and the Midterms will be blazing MAGA RED and all the controlled oppositions will be thrown on the kerb.
NCSWIC!
It’s fascinating to see how railroads have somehow become this case study people on the right are waiving around as a defense of data centers.
Nevermind things like the Credit Mobilier scandal, where the government was defrauded and politicians were bribed to let it happen, that we gave away more land than California and New York combined to people like the Vanderbilts through land grants, or that the government was inept (shocker) and created oversaturation through the land grant chaos which resulted in the original Great Depression, the Panic of 1873 before the big one in 1930. More of an in depth discussion can be found here.
I was a toddler in the 1990s, so I know less about whatever telecommunications panic might’ve existed back then other than Y2K. I think many of us agree on this sub, though, that sometimes technological concerns are warranted, like 5G and its health consequences. Or mRNA, for that matter.
In terms of data centers and LLMs, the drain on community resources is very real. Simply put, I do not think the 21st century version of a railroad baron—Kevin O’Leary, or Zuckerberg, or Bezos—should be able to drain or poison the water of a surrounding community and hike their utility costs with zero detriment in the name of “technological progress.”
Particularly when that “progress” is in the news every week for hallucinating data sets, hallucinating reports from places like McKinsey (lol), and producing false results for firms like EY/Deloitte as well as for world governments without recourse.
Until LLMs serve a useful purpose that isn’t doing people’s homework for them incorrectly or scraping every shred of data off the internet, we shouldn’t be acting like they aren’t, at the moment, the 21st century version of snake oil.
I'm still trying to understand how these data centers (AI) make money for the builders/keepers of them. Is monitoring online activity really worth all that is involved with construction of a data center, and running the center? Maybe the average Joes (and Josephines) are highly influenced by the constant barrage of ads directed at them via AI, resulting in purchases consistent with that barrage. I personally don't feel I buy anything based on some background AI activity. Can someone explain how this AI saturation is actually profitable?
For one, it cuts down on labor costs because you’re not having to pay a human to make graphics, provide voiceover material for commercials, copy edit, etc.
In terms of how valuable your data is, Datapods calculated it about $263 a person back in 2023. The real worth of data harvesting, as I was taught in my behavioral marketing classes, is that you get specific data on specific audiences and can fine tune how you target them with advertisements.
Its not just railroads. Its every innovation since the inception of America that has made this country prosper. Railroads, Airplanes, Radio and TV, Cable, Electronics, Internet - every single thing.
And yes, you are absolutely right that, the Banksters always managed to derail this prosperity and blame it on the entrepreneurs, the local bankers, the industries etc, and spent inordinate amount of effort to corrupt some of these industry leaders.
Not just in railroads. But every time new innovation happened, the Cabal took control of it by hook or by crook, mostly using greed and money magic.
But here is the million dollar question? Does it make the technological progress itself dangerous? Can we simply become an hermit society and everything will become fantastic?
And answer is that economic progress drives economic power. If US decides not to progress, it becomes irrelevant in no time, and the other countries who will progress are not going to be driven by American Principles, and they will use their power to convert US into serfdom for themselves. This was indeed the plan until Trump came along.
Absolutely. But the problem is the weaponisation of these concerns for the purposes of derailing the technology itself. Through narrative poisoning.
Of course. And we need to ensure no one gets poisoned. But who decides what is dangerous and what isnt? EPA? Environmental groups? Woke mainstream?
We have gone down this path my fren.
Again, it tells me that you are not keeping yourself informed about how much through Trump has put in, into this. Please, before you let your mind be polluted by the propaganda, atleast take your time to do research into what Trump is doing to ensure these data centers not only dont drive up utility costs, but can actually produce excess energy and supply it back to the community
Its like saying Google Maps sent someone into a lake or that sometimes the bullets miss targets targets, Or the radar picked up some noise.
Of course every tech has its limitations, and clearly companies that use AI tools without understanding their limitations will end up with wrong results and so do companies that are dumb enough to hire consultancy firms to tell them what to do.
And as the tech evolves accuracy improves, exponentially from past experience, and the smarter folks will push out the dumber older businesses.
Infact, one thing these LLMs will make possible is for companies to not even depend on consultants to tell them what to do!
For people who know how to use it, its already improving their productivity 50-100 times without even exaggeration. This happens to people actually doing cutting edge work - not based on stats by some publication or tech article.
We are in the early 90s of Internet. If you were told then where Internet would 20 years later, would you not have jumped on it ? Would you have sat around moping and dooming? Well we have that chance now. This boom is orders of magnitude bigger than then, and we have been given the chance to know the future. Use it or lose it but NCSWIC.
It does not happen with every single technological advancement.
In terms of this conversation, you specifically mentioned railroads, which is why I brought up the issues regarding the creation of the railroad system in the US. To suddenly throw every single technological advancement from the 20th century into the pile to support your side of the argument seems a bit unfair and illogical.
I am by no means suggesting the US become a hermit society. In terms of argumentation, this is not a claim I made. So I won’t be responding to it.
Obviously, stagnation is a problem. No part of my response suggested I am pro-stagnation.
But I am seeing how LLMs are making students in academia incredibly dumb and incapable of thinking for themselves. I see a technology that went from AI to rebranding as LLM, because it isn’t really intelligent due to a failure to prompt itself, and I am reminded of Theranos.
I am seeing how data centers are largely being set up by
Google, who we here know has never been up to good works
Amazon, who has essentially created a monopoly on goods distribution in this country and driven smaller businesses largely out of commission
Microsoft, who is no one’s favorite tech corporation
Facebook, which Q literally connected to DARPA,
And other tech oligarchs, who are not on our side.
The technology is simply not up to a level of precision or usefulness, in my opinion, to allow for the sudden hoarding of resources that is occurring across the nation. It seems like another way to lull the masses into failing to think for themselves. And it seems like a gross reappropriation of our lands and resources to people that have shown they are not on our side akin to the farmland Gates and the Chinese managed to broker under prior administrations.
The real cost to normal people of these data centers is not just propaganda or fear mongering, as you suggest.
Consumer Reports reported a 267% increase in electricity prices in areas with data centers over the last five years. Water use is also expected to increase by similar percentages.
I am on my phone, so I cannot easily link to other studies that are less about fear mongering and more about hard numbers.
Who is improving the grid? Who is improving already strained water systems like those in Arizona and Texas?
I am still waiting for the infrastructure improvements Trump promised to come to fruition.
My community is currently having to fight tooth and nail to not have one of these things installed on the main water source used to cool the nearby nuclear plants and provide fresh water to our homes. Exelon already has issues running these plants, and I don’t want to add another strain on our infrastructure.
The negative impacts of these things currently outweigh the potential positives—that still have not shown themselves, no matter what the companies I’ve worked with say—and I don’t think average Americans should be footing the bill for it.
I am not sure whats unfair or illogical about pointing out the obvious and its not "one technological advancement" or "every technological advancement" but rather "consistent technological advancement" that is very important, atleast in the current world of free market economy due to perceived resource scarcity.
When we reach the point where we dont have the perceived resource scarcity - a society of energy abundance as we were intended to be - then the whole calculus changes.
There is simply no other way to outrun the bankers.
Fiat currency? They will force wars and make you print yourself to oblivioun
Gold/Asset backed currency? They will manipulate currency prices, hoard up all your currency and demand all your gold (Why do you think Nixon had to take US off the gold stanbdard?)
Only way to outrun these Banksters is an economy where your currency is backed by the economic prosperity that always keeps ahead of the curve.
Technological Progress is how those improvements will come to fruition. You make the private companies invest in your community. Right now, this takes the form of AI and Datacenters.
And I know you are scared to death about Microsoft and Google and what not. Private companies are simply vessels for large amount of capital and innovation. When the enemy is wielding the vessels they become weaponised. When we are wielding the vessels, they become powerful tools.
When the enemy comes in an armada of ships, its natural to be deadly afraid of the ships. But when you take control of those ships, do you scuttle them because you are scared of them?
Its all about who control their strings. Trump is cutting all the strings and then is testing who does the right thing.
Trump administration has been working diligently to allow these private companies to build nuclear fusion reactors and use that energy to make self sufficient datacenters and use the additional capacity to supply the local grid and infact reduce the local energy costs.
US needs energy costs that are lower than any other place in the world to be competitive and win this race. Thats why Iran war is so crucial - its all about unshackling the energy chokeholds.
There is a method to this madness. Here is my sincere suggestion: Rather than focus on all the impediments to this plan (and trust me there are a million impediments) focus on digging into what Trump is actually doing. Rather than headlines, look at behind the scenes activities.
Use the AI tools - like Grok - they give you really good info really quickly. Thats really our job. If we dont make this work, thats the end of the road, there are no other alternatives.