Also I’m confused. On the one hand you’re talking about water, but then when you talk about usage you’re talking about…heat? TW of heat? Do you mean electricity? You seem all over the place here. I half expect to start hearing the word “parsec” like they do in Star Wars as a measurement of speed rather than distance.
Fair question. You cannot destroy energy. That’s God’s realm
You can generate energy, and then transform it into electricity, or motion, but eventually it winds up as heat. Whether it’s your PC, car or AC unit outside. Heat tends to be the majority end form of energy. That 9TW winds up as heat somewhere. After powering lights, hard drives, server processors; it’s eventually going to be heat. Now that heat has to go somewhere. Into water and then poured away a LOT hotter than it went in. Into your lake, or heating the great outdoors
Take 2x of what Utah consumes anyway, and add that energy -> heat anywhere you want. It’s going to have an impact on everything
Ok I hear you saying that, but how much of that extra heat will really end up in the nearest lake? What lake would the Utah Dara center water empty into? How far will it have to travel to fry there? How much will that heat dissipate before arrival? Seriously it’s like you’re talking in such cataclysmic generalities on kindergarten level factoids but you’re clearly making huge assumptions without getting into any specifics. What lake would be most affected by a Box Elder County data center and to what degree?
The heat will disperse into whatever area the wastewater is dumped into. Some places make a cooling reservoir and let the mountain night cool the water and keep it semi-contained. Some is going to evaporate. That hot water will raise local temperatures, a lot
9TW is a phenomenal amount of energy Using AI the math shows the lake maintains temperature, but loses ~3.5 Billion gallons due to evaporation of this heat. AI assures this is negligible
I question everything. Lake levels and salinity have both dropped over the years. I question the number and size of data sites being considered
Are you serious or trolling? Energy leads to heat and noise... why do you think race cars are loud and get hot? Why are rockets loud and hot? Have you done any kind of heat dissipation? You need water. How is electricity made? Boiling water.
I understand THAT just fine. What’s the problem you think that’s going to cause though? Everyone seems to be getting upset that I don’t get something but I’m still standing here waiting for the real-world outcome everyone seems to think will be do terrible and I’m not hearing it. What water will get so heated by data centers that it will affect us, and how?
You really didn't know about electronics and thermal radiation? I know you know water cools down hot things. I feel like you are purposely not knowing even a laymens understanding of data centers. Does all of science confound you like this? Does it all conjure Star Wars for you? Fascinating, if true. I call bullshit.
Where did I say I didn’t know about electronics or thermal radiation? I’m asking what people think the real-world impact of more of it will be. I live in Utah. We have like a fraction of the population of some other states. Those other states have way more buildings and cars and data centers, etc. and what has it done that’s so bad in those places that people in Utah are so up in arms about it happening here? What impact does this extra heat have on every day life that you’re so worried about?
Utility bills rising steeper than they already are. Polluting my childrens lungs further than they already are. Noise and light pollution beyond my comfort.
And a deep permeating sense of negativity when I ponder the fact of data centers, that comes from a well honed skill called discernment.
These are a few of my least favorite things.
As to "where did I say... "? Nobody "said" anything, bud. We're all just typing here. Typing into the void.
Utility bills rising steeper than they already are
So you don’t think Trump’s EO requiring data centers to generate their own power or pay through the nose to keep it from raising everyone else’s power will be honored/will work/he’s not serious about it? What?
Polluting my children’s lungs further than they already are
Is this expected to release a significant amount of air pollution? If so, how much and what can I compare that to for context?
Noise and light pollution beyond my comfort
I take it you live in Box Elder county? Is your home currently close enough to be impacted by the sound? Is the area you live in currently dark enough to see all the stars currently then?
A deep permeating sense of negativity when it comes to data centers
Is that just cause of the things you just mentioned or something else/more?
Also I’m confused. On the one hand you’re talking about water, but then when you talk about usage you’re talking about…heat? TW of heat? Do you mean electricity? You seem all over the place here. I half expect to start hearing the word “parsec” like they do in Star Wars as a measurement of speed rather than distance.
Fair question. You cannot destroy energy. That’s God’s realm
You can generate energy, and then transform it into electricity, or motion, but eventually it winds up as heat. Whether it’s your PC, car or AC unit outside. Heat tends to be the majority end form of energy. That 9TW winds up as heat somewhere. After powering lights, hard drives, server processors; it’s eventually going to be heat. Now that heat has to go somewhere. Into water and then poured away a LOT hotter than it went in. Into your lake, or heating the great outdoors
Take 2x of what Utah consumes anyway, and add that energy -> heat anywhere you want. It’s going to have an impact on everything
Ok I hear you saying that, but how much of that extra heat will really end up in the nearest lake? What lake would the Utah Dara center water empty into? How far will it have to travel to fry there? How much will that heat dissipate before arrival? Seriously it’s like you’re talking in such cataclysmic generalities on kindergarten level factoids but you’re clearly making huge assumptions without getting into any specifics. What lake would be most affected by a Box Elder County data center and to what degree?
The heat will disperse into whatever area the wastewater is dumped into. Some places make a cooling reservoir and let the mountain night cool the water and keep it semi-contained. Some is going to evaporate. That hot water will raise local temperatures, a lot
9TW is a phenomenal amount of energy Using AI the math shows the lake maintains temperature, but loses ~3.5 Billion gallons due to evaporation of this heat. AI assures this is negligible
I question everything. Lake levels and salinity have both dropped over the years. I question the number and size of data sites being considered
Are you serious or trolling? Energy leads to heat and noise... why do you think race cars are loud and get hot? Why are rockets loud and hot? Have you done any kind of heat dissipation? You need water. How is electricity made? Boiling water.
How can you not understand this?
I understand THAT just fine. What’s the problem you think that’s going to cause though? Everyone seems to be getting upset that I don’t get something but I’m still standing here waiting for the real-world outcome everyone seems to think will be do terrible and I’m not hearing it. What water will get so heated by data centers that it will affect us, and how?
You really didn't know about electronics and thermal radiation? I know you know water cools down hot things. I feel like you are purposely not knowing even a laymens understanding of data centers. Does all of science confound you like this? Does it all conjure Star Wars for you? Fascinating, if true. I call bullshit.
Where did I say I didn’t know about electronics or thermal radiation? I’m asking what people think the real-world impact of more of it will be. I live in Utah. We have like a fraction of the population of some other states. Those other states have way more buildings and cars and data centers, etc. and what has it done that’s so bad in those places that people in Utah are so up in arms about it happening here? What impact does this extra heat have on every day life that you’re so worried about?
Utility bills rising steeper than they already are. Polluting my childrens lungs further than they already are. Noise and light pollution beyond my comfort. And a deep permeating sense of negativity when I ponder the fact of data centers, that comes from a well honed skill called discernment.
These are a few of my least favorite things.
As to "where did I say... "? Nobody "said" anything, bud. We're all just typing here. Typing into the void.
So you don’t think Trump’s EO requiring data centers to generate their own power or pay through the nose to keep it from raising everyone else’s power will be honored/will work/he’s not serious about it? What?
Is this expected to release a significant amount of air pollution? If so, how much and what can I compare that to for context?
I take it you live in Box Elder county? Is your home currently close enough to be impacted by the sound? Is the area you live in currently dark enough to see all the stars currently then?
Is that just cause of the things you just mentioned or something else/more?