NO ONE wants these Data Centers built in their states. This may be a ruse by O'Leary to portray himself an an attacked underdog. We Don't Believe You Kevin.
The huge, ugly facilities suck all the city's pristine underground aquifers dry, leaving local residents with non-existent water pressure and increasing water rates.
They produce obnoxious 24-hrs-a-day NOISE, destroying the peace and quiet for residents, their domestic pets and the natural wildlife in the area for miles.
They are condemning and taking family farms, ranches and public open spaces without permission and without a public vote.
Any land that has a facility built upon it will have its integrity destroyed due to deep soil and water contamination, and the draining of all natural water sources, the removal of old growth trees and foliage, rendering the land unusable for farming or recreation for many generations in the future.
Exposing Foreign Powers Funding Misinformation about data centers
Kevin O'Leary, who looks a lot like Pinnochio
There's no right to free speech around "Misinformation" and hate speech, and especially around Our Democracy
Tim Walz, failed Communist VP Candidate
Why can't they just put their Data Centers next to the ocean? Near Unlimited cooling via underwater heat exchanger. Only reason to not do this is (They)'re trying to kill off the Cattle.
I don’t believe them either because I saw the water myself like almost dry completely, my sister the normie think it is normal dryness but I told her NO but I will not discuss anything with her or her husband due to lack of care. Naples never had this in our ponds so I know for sure it is the AI friking centers. Now I am going to go to community meetings more often, and tell them what I think. They are demons trying to g to kill us and leave us without water and food deliberately.
If you can't understand why people aren't attracted to having giant data centers in or next to our towns, I would guess you haven't read about them much.
Do you just mean that you think everyone on the site should be on the side of the billionaires and tech corps that will get richer off their development?
Or do you mean you really think everyone here is somehow not actually in touch with their own preferences?
I don’t know honestly. That’s why I’m asking. What do you have against them? You just dont like big buildings in remote areas? What is it? What preferences are YOU defending specifically?
Why are they supposedly using all the water? That doesn't even make sense....Is this whole thing some kind of weird psyop? Are they even building data centers at all?
They use the water to get rid of the heat. The water may exit the data center as hot water or vapor.
It’s the scale that’s disturbing. Utah uses 3.8 TW/yr. That’s for humans to use in Utah, the entire state.
The proposed Data Center ADDS another 9 TW to the total heat Utah uses. So we hop from 3.8 to ~13 TW in heat
That’s going to immediately change the environment
Also I’m confused. On the one hand you’re talking about water, but then when you talk about usage you’re talking about…heat? TW of heat? Do you mean electricity? You seem all over the place here. I half expect to start hearing the word “parsec” like they do in Star Wars as a measurement of speed rather than distance.
Fair question. You cannot destroy energy. That’s God’s realm
You can generate energy, and then transform it into electricity, or motion, but eventually it winds up as heat. Whether it’s your PC, car or AC unit outside. Heat tends to be the majority end form of energy. That 9TW winds up as heat somewhere. After powering lights, hard drives, server processors; it’s eventually going to be heat. Now that heat has to go somewhere. Into water and then poured away a LOT hotter than it went in. Into your lake, or heating the great outdoors
Take 2x of what Utah consumes anyway, and add that energy -> heat anywhere you want. It’s going to have an impact on everything
Ok I hear you saying that, but how much of that extra heat will really end up in the nearest lake? What lake would the Utah Dara center water empty into? How far will it have to travel to fry there? How much will that heat dissipate before arrival? Seriously it’s like you’re talking in such cataclysmic generalities on kindergarten level factoids but you’re clearly making huge assumptions without getting into any specifics. What lake would be most affected by a Box Elder County data center and to what degree?
The heat will disperse into whatever area the wastewater is dumped into. Some places make a cooling reservoir and let the mountain night cool the water and keep it semi-contained. Some is going to evaporate. That hot water will raise local temperatures, a lot
9TW is a phenomenal amount of energy Using AI the math shows the lake maintains temperature, but loses ~3.5 Billion gallons due to evaporation of this heat. AI assures this is negligible
I question everything. Lake levels and salinity have both dropped over the years. I question the number and size of data sites being considered
Are you serious or trolling? Energy leads to heat and noise... why do you think race cars are loud and get hot? Why are rockets loud and hot? Have you done any kind of heat dissipation? You need water. How is electricity made? Boiling water.
I understand THAT just fine. What’s the problem you think that’s going to cause though? Everyone seems to be getting upset that I don’t get something but I’m still standing here waiting for the real-world outcome everyone seems to think will be do terrible and I’m not hearing it. What water will get so heated by data centers that it will affect us, and how?
You really didn't know about electronics and thermal radiation? I know you know water cools down hot things. I feel like you are purposely not knowing even a laymens understanding of data centers. Does all of science confound you like this? Does it all conjure Star Wars for you? Fascinating, if true. I call bullshit.
Where did I say I didn’t know about electronics or thermal radiation? I’m asking what people think the real-world impact of more of it will be. I live in Utah. We have like a fraction of the population of some other states. Those other states have way more buildings and cars and data centers, etc. and what has it done that’s so bad in those places that people in Utah are so up in arms about it happening here? What impact does this extra heat have on every day life that you’re so worried about?
Utility bills rising steeper than they already are. Polluting my childrens lungs further than they already are. Noise and light pollution beyond my comfort.
And a deep permeating sense of negativity when I ponder the fact of data centers, that comes from a well honed skill called discernment.
These are a few of my least favorite things.
As to "where did I say... "? Nobody "said" anything, bud. We're all just typing here. Typing into the void.
Utility bills rising steeper than they already are
So you don’t think Trump’s EO requiring data centers to generate their own power or pay through the nose to keep it from raising everyone else’s power will be honored/will work/he’s not serious about it? What?
Polluting my children’s lungs further than they already are
Is this expected to release a significant amount of air pollution? If so, how much and what can I compare that to for context?
Noise and light pollution beyond my comfort
I take it you live in Box Elder county? Is your home currently close enough to be impacted by the sound? Is the area you live in currently dark enough to see all the stars currently then?
A deep permeating sense of negativity when it comes to data centers
Is that just cause of the things you just mentioned or something else/more?
1 Billion watts? Depends upon the area that it’s dumped into. People whine about the environment constantly. Snow fall, reservoirs, rain as things stand.
Now triple the heat for a single data center and then keep Utah flat; that’s 4x more plus that heat is gonna be dumped into a river, ground, or stream that’s now MUCH warmer than it’s ever been
Heat your local lake 1° F and things are gonna change. Ecosystems are going to be devastated
The energy the data center will come in from the natural gas pipeline. Now that pipeline isn’t getting fatter; so 2X what Utah currently consumes in energy is going to come from Natual Gas
What do you imagine tripling the demand will do to a limited supply resource? Will Gas and Electricity go up? The Law of Supply and Demand dictates that prices will go up. Triple is a conservative guess.
Guess who gets a tax discount when that happens. Nope, not the people
People in Boxelder County showed up in record numbers to protest. The committee voted against the constituents anyway. 3:0 and that was it. It was a formality, and we are all getting data centers that will raise utilities and destroy our environments so they can mine our personal data. It’s not good
I’m well aware of how supply and demand works. I’m also aware of trade offs when it comes to energy use. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Trump anticipate that problem and sign an EO requiring data centers to fund their own energy to keep it from raising prices on the surrounding populations? Was the Utah data center planning on not following that or what?
United States is building/has built around 4,000 of them. That is far more than any other country. China has 362. I can't cite where I recently read this because I didn't save the information. Someone said they can recycle the water in a cooling tower once they take it, but collapsing aquifers is never a good idea.
We need national discussions about these profound changes to our lifestyles and environment before they are simply imposed on us. Until then we can live without them. Data centers and AI are causing a lot of concern among people I know, and they need to be proven "safe and effective" before we are subject to harm.
Large data centers consume massive amounts of water—often between 1 to 5 million gallons daily for a large facility—primarily for evaporative cooling to prevent servers from overheating. This staggering consumption directly impacts local water supplies, sparking sustainability concerns, particularly in drought-prone or water-stressed regions.
Data center developers are increasingly tapping into freshwater resources to quench the thirst of data centers, which is putting nearby communities at risk.
Large data centers can consume up to 5 million gallons per day, equivalent to the water use of a town populated by 10,000 to 50,000 people.
With larger and new AI-focused data centers, water consumption is increasing alongside energy usage and carbon emissions.
Yes thank you. People throw out numbers with zero perspective based on comparative factors and assume it’s a lot and freak out. We have no idea how to put it into perspective.
Yeah, so if the real issue is that the data centers are literally evaporating all the water (I still call bullshit on that) then why not just make make the building of a new data center conditional on the terms that they agree to use a closed loop water cooling system (re-cool the water themselves). Seems like a pretty simple solution....Honestly I don't believe that this data center water evap thing is even really why the water is "missing", if the water is even missing. They are hiding something. This whole topic stinks of psyop.
So why aren't they just building a bunch of data centers by Hoover Dam or other large dams where they basically have unlimited water and electricity. Having any major electrical operation close to a major power source is a no brainier because of power line resistance over distance (electrical engineering 101) and many other obvious reasons. Not to mention that If they are literally drying up aquifers then where are they getting the water after that? I would literally be the worst investment ever if they run out of one of the basic resources that they say they need to keep the data center running. This seems like full retard stuff to me. Doesn't make any sense.... How come no one is bringing this stuff up? Are we forgetting to use our brains again? Can anyone here figure out what is actually going on?
Thank you. It’s nice to see at least one other person questioning this strangely anti-business narrative. I’m starting to wonder if I’m in the wrong place.
Why not just build a shitload of data centers by the Hoover Dam and use as much water as they need? Then they'll have more water and electricity than they know what to do with.....This whole issue sounds like a midwit level psyop.....
Data centers aren't built in remote isolation because they require massive amounts of electrical power, heavy-duty fiber-optic networks, and highly specialized on-site personnel. Building too far from population centers increases "latency" (the time it takes for data to travel), which slows down internet speeds and application performance.
Hard to believe a hard researching anon ssuch as yourself wouldn't know that, but there it is.
Seriously? -_- Do you even understand where and what the hoover dam is? Do you even understand how little the latency difference are on a direct fiber network for 5, 50, and 500 miles? It is not like we are talking about public internet level pings here guys. You can't tell me that an AI data center needs less latency than any any online gamer ever gets. Ok, here is an easy one for you: If they are using up all the water as is being claimed then how does the data center stay operational? Use your brains guys.
You seem to be the kind of person who looks at questions as attacks. You should work on that. People have real questions on this issue. If you think you have real answers try being content providing them and maybe forgo the insults toward the end. Maybe you’re right, maybe not, but questioning the motives of everyone who asks honest questions is…bad form.
@Grok please put these numbers into context. How does this copare to other industrial facilities? Are data centers really that much worse than a battery factory or something?
Computers and hard drives consume a lot of electricity. They throw it off as heat. Lots of heat. I have a 20x24 off with a computer and a lot of hard drives. I barely use any heat in the winter, as the heat from the computer and hard drives warms the room. Just imagine if you had multiple Super Walmarts crammed full of computers and hard drives. You would require water cooling. The water comes from the ground, as most places use wells for their water supply. The equipment is so hot, that the water turns to steam and goes into the air. It is taken from the aquifers faster than the rain cycle can ever add to them. Once the level gets low enough, the cities and towns can get any more water from their wells.
And where is this happening currently. Have many data centers picked their locations so poorly that the neighboring communities, as well as themselves, have been unable to access any water anymore as a result? Or is the fact that such a thing is POSSIBLE more important than whether or not it’s likely?
We are in an AI ARMS RACE WITH CHINA! If they win the race, the WORLD LOSES.
Yes these data centers suck and Trump is fixing that situation BUT, if it is AI Data Center they are building then more accurately "ALL THE SMART PEOPLE WANT MORE AI DATA CENTERS" and the foolish dont understand.
Those that are attempting to defend the massive data center build out don't have any good arguments, since LLMs over-promise and under-deliver, with deeply negative ROI. Some businesses are belatedly starting to figure this out, which has the AI grifters in a panic.
What is a grifter to do? Answer: they resort to trying to generate fear. In this case, they claim the US is in a winner-take-all race against China for AI dominance, and whoever loses that race will die in fiery floods, etc. (borrowing some of the doomer-ism from the climate scam).
If the data centers were legitimate, they should be touting all of the proven benefits and increased revenue/profits, etc. that they provide. Resorting to fear to try to stampede ignorant people into supporting their narrative is a TELL (in poker terminology) that they are lying. Saying that anyone who opposes their narrative is being funded by the CCP (or whatever) makes it even worse.
You would think people would have learned not to fall for this type of psyop by now from the plandemic and climate scams... but apparently not.
There is no intelligence in AI - it is just a marketing term... and yes, today's AI = Large Language Models (LLMs). All the AI companies have their own versions of LLM, plus the human-generated data used to train them.
This is the third AI hype bubble. The first was in the 60's with mainframes, the second was in the 80's with PC networks (neural nets), and now we have the third bubble with LLMs.
As far as President Trump "grifting" on AI, I am not sure what you mean by that. Most people fall for the hype during a bubble, but the insiders directly involved in the industry who deliberately spread lies to enrich themselves are the grifters.
I mean Trump himself said we needed to stay ahead on AI and brought in several trillion for investments in that area, including for data centers. So if those of us who aren’t sold on your line of thinking are grifters, is he as well?
I’m also from northern utah, and it sure seems the majority of people who don’t want the data centers are democrats, which makes me very suspicious of the stance. The anti-data center position feels like a psyop to me. The complaints sound shallow. Nobody here has assuaged that concern for me yet. Not sure what to think about it.
I know way more MAGA and other conservatives that are against it than democrats. Democrats love their tech. They love progressive things. MAGA loves conservative things. Conserve is the root word.
He has openly declared the only thing he cares about is making more money. Unlike Trump, who despite being financially very successful, still has higher values.
Blah, blah, blah. Go back to selling real estate or you whatever it is/was that you do/did that landed you on The Shark Tank. We don't need tens of thousands of data centers in this country. And we damned sure don't need one the size of a whole medium sized city. We don't need corporate conglomerates bribing our politicians and bureaucrats in order to buy up almost all the water in the U.S.
Kevin O'Leary used a data science team to trace coordinated false attacks on the Utah data center project back to organized networks, political activist groups and funding trails from massive international entities. IRS 990 filings and IP data revealed the connections.
He delivered 90 pages of documented evidence to federal law enforcement and raised the issue directly with White House contacts, calling it a coordinated PR war against energy and data center infrastructure.
You can do a MX record lookup of the domain it was sent from or look at the headers. It will return the IP of the email provider, not the home IP address of the account.
There’s going to be a lot of people both foreign and domestic with entrenched interests financial and otherwise seeking to influence the outcomes of the Datacenter debacle.
Risking rather justifiable concerns. Such as issues with Water usage getting buried under the additional noise, rhetoric, and hypothetical situations being used to argue both for and against.
Something worth keeping in mind. It’s rather cheap and not all that difficult to develop influence networks online now. Especially in the hyper partisan political environment. Use the right buzzwords and you’ll have a lot of people from one side or the other eating out of the palm of your hand. Hire a few people to be the ‘face’ and you can have what at a cursory glance looks like a Grassroots activist/citizens group. When a look beneath the hood would reveal the funding trails and the fact the ‘grassroots’ organization is anything but a collection of concerned citizens.
Much like with the Datacenters. Businessmen like O’Leary serving as ‘The Face’ can help disguise the funding and groups/people building the centers.
Meh. Haven't seen such a coordinated campaign against something since Trump ran in 2016.
That's what gets me to believe Data Centers are okay. Plus, AI has been helpful in my life. And additionally, I live near the Great lakes - Water fears are absurd.
Ok. How noisy? From how far? How many people will that really affect where they want to put it?
“It’s ugly.”
More than other buildings? How?
I’m just seeing a lot of generic complaints that don’t seem that seem to be getting more consternation than they deserve but with no explanation. They just get repeated by everybody,
I don’t care what he’s says massive data centers are NOT good for the people and their environment. Period. Common sense. Mr. Canadian Money may feel differently. Tell him to put his massive data centers IN CANADA 🇨🇦 they certainly have the space!
Furthermore, if kevin helped investigate all of this in a short amount of time by throwing money and resources, because his investments are at risk, then why not do the same to protect the land that enables his investments???? American needs money and resources to remove all the fraud, corruption, moles, traitors and evil corps that are dismantling the american constitution.
NO ONE wants these Data Centers built in their states. This may be a ruse by O'Leary to portray himself an an attacked underdog. We Don't Believe You Kevin.
No one is in favor of this!
None of this helps the common man.
Only the Uber Wealthy benefit. NIMBY!
Why can't they just put their Data Centers next to the ocean? Near Unlimited cooling via underwater heat exchanger. Only reason to not do this is (They)'re trying to kill off the Cattle.
I was thinking the same but go one step further; desalinization plant/ data center. Byproduct is salt, fresh water, and data.
I don’t believe them either because I saw the water myself like almost dry completely, my sister the normie think it is normal dryness but I told her NO but I will not discuss anything with her or her husband due to lack of care. Naples never had this in our ponds so I know for sure it is the AI friking centers. Now I am going to go to community meetings more often, and tell them what I think. They are demons trying to g to kill us and leave us without water and food deliberately.
You see yourself the water below as dry? What? Care to explain what you mean?
You know what I meant, probably I was falling to sleep, but I tried to fix it. Bully! 🙃
Put them in space
Almost as if a curtain based dark MAGA ceo is already doing this. I’m sure Mr Wonderful doesn’t have a data center next to his mansion.
What? How would this kill off cattle?
What is going on here? Who has taken over this site? How is it that so many of you are so quickly on one side of those issue? I smell a rat.
If you can't understand why people aren't attracted to having giant data centers in or next to our towns, I would guess you haven't read about them much.
Do you just mean that you think everyone on the site should be on the side of the billionaires and tech corps that will get richer off their development?
Or do you mean you really think everyone here is somehow not actually in touch with their own preferences?
I don’t know honestly. That’s why I’m asking. What do you have against them? You just dont like big buildings in remote areas? What is it? What preferences are YOU defending specifically?
Why are they supposedly using all the water? That doesn't even make sense....Is this whole thing some kind of weird psyop? Are they even building data centers at all?
They use the water to get rid of the heat. The water may exit the data center as hot water or vapor.
It’s the scale that’s disturbing. Utah uses 3.8 TW/yr. That’s for humans to use in Utah, the entire state.
The proposed Data Center ADDS another 9 TW to the total heat Utah uses. So we hop from 3.8 to ~13 TW in heat
That’s going to immediately change the environment
Also I’m confused. On the one hand you’re talking about water, but then when you talk about usage you’re talking about…heat? TW of heat? Do you mean electricity? You seem all over the place here. I half expect to start hearing the word “parsec” like they do in Star Wars as a measurement of speed rather than distance.
Fair question. You cannot destroy energy. That’s God’s realm
You can generate energy, and then transform it into electricity, or motion, but eventually it winds up as heat. Whether it’s your PC, car or AC unit outside. Heat tends to be the majority end form of energy. That 9TW winds up as heat somewhere. After powering lights, hard drives, server processors; it’s eventually going to be heat. Now that heat has to go somewhere. Into water and then poured away a LOT hotter than it went in. Into your lake, or heating the great outdoors
Take 2x of what Utah consumes anyway, and add that energy -> heat anywhere you want. It’s going to have an impact on everything
Ok I hear you saying that, but how much of that extra heat will really end up in the nearest lake? What lake would the Utah Dara center water empty into? How far will it have to travel to fry there? How much will that heat dissipate before arrival? Seriously it’s like you’re talking in such cataclysmic generalities on kindergarten level factoids but you’re clearly making huge assumptions without getting into any specifics. What lake would be most affected by a Box Elder County data center and to what degree?
The heat will disperse into whatever area the wastewater is dumped into. Some places make a cooling reservoir and let the mountain night cool the water and keep it semi-contained. Some is going to evaporate. That hot water will raise local temperatures, a lot
9TW is a phenomenal amount of energy Using AI the math shows the lake maintains temperature, but loses ~3.5 Billion gallons due to evaporation of this heat. AI assures this is negligible
I question everything. Lake levels and salinity have both dropped over the years. I question the number and size of data sites being considered
Are you serious or trolling? Energy leads to heat and noise... why do you think race cars are loud and get hot? Why are rockets loud and hot? Have you done any kind of heat dissipation? You need water. How is electricity made? Boiling water.
How can you not understand this?
I understand THAT just fine. What’s the problem you think that’s going to cause though? Everyone seems to be getting upset that I don’t get something but I’m still standing here waiting for the real-world outcome everyone seems to think will be do terrible and I’m not hearing it. What water will get so heated by data centers that it will affect us, and how?
You really didn't know about electronics and thermal radiation? I know you know water cools down hot things. I feel like you are purposely not knowing even a laymens understanding of data centers. Does all of science confound you like this? Does it all conjure Star Wars for you? Fascinating, if true. I call bullshit.
Where did I say I didn’t know about electronics or thermal radiation? I’m asking what people think the real-world impact of more of it will be. I live in Utah. We have like a fraction of the population of some other states. Those other states have way more buildings and cars and data centers, etc. and what has it done that’s so bad in those places that people in Utah are so up in arms about it happening here? What impact does this extra heat have on every day life that you’re so worried about?
Utility bills rising steeper than they already are. Polluting my childrens lungs further than they already are. Noise and light pollution beyond my comfort. And a deep permeating sense of negativity when I ponder the fact of data centers, that comes from a well honed skill called discernment.
These are a few of my least favorite things.
As to "where did I say... "? Nobody "said" anything, bud. We're all just typing here. Typing into the void.
So you don’t think Trump’s EO requiring data centers to generate their own power or pay through the nose to keep it from raising everyone else’s power will be honored/will work/he’s not serious about it? What?
Is this expected to release a significant amount of air pollution? If so, how much and what can I compare that to for context?
I take it you live in Box Elder county? Is your home currently close enough to be impacted by the sound? Is the area you live in currently dark enough to see all the stars currently then?
Is that just cause of the things you just mentioned or something else/more?
Is it? How much does 1 TW affect “the environment”?
1 Billion watts? Depends upon the area that it’s dumped into. People whine about the environment constantly. Snow fall, reservoirs, rain as things stand.
Now triple the heat for a single data center and then keep Utah flat; that’s 4x more plus that heat is gonna be dumped into a river, ground, or stream that’s now MUCH warmer than it’s ever been
Heat your local lake 1° F and things are gonna change. Ecosystems are going to be devastated
Ok. So it depends? And is anybody talking about doing something that’s gonna heat up a lake by that amount?
The energy the data center will come in from the natural gas pipeline. Now that pipeline isn’t getting fatter; so 2X what Utah currently consumes in energy is going to come from Natual Gas What do you imagine tripling the demand will do to a limited supply resource? Will Gas and Electricity go up? The Law of Supply and Demand dictates that prices will go up. Triple is a conservative guess.
Guess who gets a tax discount when that happens. Nope, not the people
People in Boxelder County showed up in record numbers to protest. The committee voted against the constituents anyway. 3:0 and that was it. It was a formality, and we are all getting data centers that will raise utilities and destroy our environments so they can mine our personal data. It’s not good
I’m well aware of how supply and demand works. I’m also aware of trade offs when it comes to energy use. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Trump anticipate that problem and sign an EO requiring data centers to fund their own energy to keep it from raising prices on the surrounding populations? Was the Utah data center planning on not following that or what?
People don't like those things. Are you pretending people do like those things? Or are you just saying these things are not real?
Lake Powell is only 172 ft below full. Utah has plenty of water.
United States is building/has built around 4,000 of them. That is far more than any other country. China has 362. I can't cite where I recently read this because I didn't save the information. Someone said they can recycle the water in a cooling tower once they take it, but collapsing aquifers is never a good idea. We need national discussions about these profound changes to our lifestyles and environment before they are simply imposed on us. Until then we can live without them. Data centers and AI are causing a lot of concern among people I know, and they need to be proven "safe and effective" before we are subject to harm.
Prove it. How do servers suck the aquifers dry?
Here is an Overview:
Large data centers consume massive amounts of water—often between 1 to 5 million gallons daily for a large facility—primarily for evaporative cooling to prevent servers from overheating. This staggering consumption directly impacts local water supplies, sparking sustainability concerns, particularly in drought-prone or water-stressed regions.
Data center developers are increasingly tapping into freshwater resources to quench the thirst of data centers, which is putting nearby communities at risk.
Large data centers can consume up to 5 million gallons per day, equivalent to the water use of a town populated by 10,000 to 50,000 people.
With larger and new AI-focused data centers, water consumption is increasing alongside energy usage and carbon emissions.
Source:
https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-centers-and-water-consumption
Or read this: Why Do Data Centers Need Water? Especially Billions of Gallons?
https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/why-do-data-centers-need-water.htm
good post.
Thanks.
Nailed it.
Its probably worth adding for perspective:
Supposedly California almond production uses 4.2 billion gallons of water per day
Supposedly Golf courses use 1.4 billion gallons of water per day.
Yes thank you. People throw out numbers with zero perspective based on comparative factors and assume it’s a lot and freak out. We have no idea how to put it into perspective.
💯🎯
https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/Water%20Resource%20Center/how-much-water-does-golf-use.pdf
1.4 Billion gallons is all the golf courses in the country combined. The average golf course in the US uses around 300,000 gallons a day.
Thanks for pointing that out. I should have been clearer in my post.
Yeah, so if the real issue is that the data centers are literally evaporating all the water (I still call bullshit on that) then why not just make make the building of a new data center conditional on the terms that they agree to use a closed loop water cooling system (re-cool the water themselves). Seems like a pretty simple solution....Honestly I don't believe that this data center water evap thing is even really why the water is "missing", if the water is even missing. They are hiding something. This whole topic stinks of psyop.
Bunch of other reasons peoole don't want them in their midst even if the water usage was a psyop, which it is not. Lol.
So why aren't they just building a bunch of data centers by Hoover Dam or other large dams where they basically have unlimited water and electricity. Having any major electrical operation close to a major power source is a no brainier because of power line resistance over distance (electrical engineering 101) and many other obvious reasons. Not to mention that If they are literally drying up aquifers then where are they getting the water after that? I would literally be the worst investment ever if they run out of one of the basic resources that they say they need to keep the data center running. This seems like full retard stuff to me. Doesn't make any sense.... How come no one is bringing this stuff up? Are we forgetting to use our brains again? Can anyone here figure out what is actually going on?
Thank you. It’s nice to see at least one other person questioning this strangely anti-business narrative. I’m starting to wonder if I’m in the wrong place.
Why not just build a shitload of data centers by the Hoover Dam and use as much water as they need? Then they'll have more water and electricity than they know what to do with.....This whole issue sounds like a midwit level psyop.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hoover-Dam
Data centers aren't built in remote isolation because they require massive amounts of electrical power, heavy-duty fiber-optic networks, and highly specialized on-site personnel. Building too far from population centers increases "latency" (the time it takes for data to travel), which slows down internet speeds and application performance.
Hard to believe a hard researching anon ssuch as yourself wouldn't know that, but there it is.
Seriously? -_- Do you even understand where and what the hoover dam is? Do you even understand how little the latency difference are on a direct fiber network for 5, 50, and 500 miles? It is not like we are talking about public internet level pings here guys. You can't tell me that an AI data center needs less latency than any any online gamer ever gets. Ok, here is an easy one for you: If they are using up all the water as is being claimed then how does the data center stay operational? Use your brains guys.
You seem to be the kind of person who looks at questions as attacks. You should work on that. People have real questions on this issue. If you think you have real answers try being content providing them and maybe forgo the insults toward the end. Maybe you’re right, maybe not, but questioning the motives of everyone who asks honest questions is…bad form.
#sarcasm#Give him a break. Maybe he just missed the class where they explained Socratic method.#sarcasm#
You're a much better person than I. If someone had told me "prove it" I'd have replied, "Get off your lazy ass and go do the research yourself."
@Grok please put these numbers into context. How does this copare to other industrial facilities? Are data centers really that much worse than a battery factory or something?
Yeah it’s not the computers using the water dummy it’s the evaporative chillers
Computers and hard drives consume a lot of electricity. They throw it off as heat. Lots of heat. I have a 20x24 off with a computer and a lot of hard drives. I barely use any heat in the winter, as the heat from the computer and hard drives warms the room. Just imagine if you had multiple Super Walmarts crammed full of computers and hard drives. You would require water cooling. The water comes from the ground, as most places use wells for their water supply. The equipment is so hot, that the water turns to steam and goes into the air. It is taken from the aquifers faster than the rain cycle can ever add to them. Once the level gets low enough, the cities and towns can get any more water from their wells.
And where is this happening currently. Have many data centers picked their locations so poorly that the neighboring communities, as well as themselves, have been unable to access any water anymore as a result? Or is the fact that such a thing is POSSIBLE more important than whether or not it’s likely?
NOBODY IS IN FAVOR OF THIS????? I AM!
We are in an AI ARMS RACE WITH CHINA! If they win the race, the WORLD LOSES.
Yes these data centers suck and Trump is fixing that situation BUT, if it is AI Data Center they are building then more accurately "ALL THE SMART PEOPLE WANT MORE AI DATA CENTERS" and the foolish dont understand.
Is this another case of billionaires know what's best for randos? Boy I know they just want what's best for folks, hyuck! No.
DJT is making data centers suck less? I hadn't heard.
Yeah I’m afraid I’m with you in this. There’s something very Democrat about the hate these things are receiving.
Those that are attempting to defend the massive data center build out don't have any good arguments, since LLMs over-promise and under-deliver, with deeply negative ROI. Some businesses are belatedly starting to figure this out, which has the AI grifters in a panic.
What is a grifter to do? Answer: they resort to trying to generate fear. In this case, they claim the US is in a winner-take-all race against China for AI dominance, and whoever loses that race will die in fiery floods, etc. (borrowing some of the doomer-ism from the climate scam).
If the data centers were legitimate, they should be touting all of the proven benefits and increased revenue/profits, etc. that they provide. Resorting to fear to try to stampede ignorant people into supporting their narrative is a TELL (in poker terminology) that they are lying. Saying that anyone who opposes their narrative is being funded by the CCP (or whatever) makes it even worse.
You would think people would have learned not to fall for this type of psyop by now from the plandemic and climate scams... but apparently not.
Thank you!
So Trump is grifting on this topic? And AI’s are only LLMs?
There is no intelligence in AI - it is just a marketing term... and yes, today's AI = Large Language Models (LLMs). All the AI companies have their own versions of LLM, plus the human-generated data used to train them.
This is the third AI hype bubble. The first was in the 60's with mainframes, the second was in the 80's with PC networks (neural nets), and now we have the third bubble with LLMs.
As far as President Trump "grifting" on AI, I am not sure what you mean by that. Most people fall for the hype during a bubble, but the insiders directly involved in the industry who deliberately spread lies to enrich themselves are the grifters.
I mean Trump himself said we needed to stay ahead on AI and brought in several trillion for investments in that area, including for data centers. So if those of us who aren’t sold on your line of thinking are grifters, is he as well?
Are you an insider directly involved in the AI industry, spreading lies to enrich yourself? Is President Trump?
So it’s really lost on you why I asked you that?
To present a false dichotomy. That is why you asked.
Kevin O’Leary 😂 he’s not even American and nobody in their right mind wants these damn data centers.
I’m also from northern utah, and it sure seems the majority of people who don’t want the data centers are democrats, which makes me very suspicious of the stance. The anti-data center position feels like a psyop to me. The complaints sound shallow. Nobody here has assuaged that concern for me yet. Not sure what to think about it.
The majority of people who opposed Israel were also democrats just a few years ago
I know way more MAGA and other conservatives that are against it than democrats. Democrats love their tech. They love progressive things. MAGA loves conservative things. Conserve is the root word.
He has openly declared the only thing he cares about is making more money. Unlike Trump, who despite being financially very successful, still has higher values.
I’m not sure I don’t.,
Blah, blah, blah. Go back to selling real estate or you whatever it is/was that you do/did that landed you on The Shark Tank. We don't need tens of thousands of data centers in this country. And we damned sure don't need one the size of a whole medium sized city. We don't need corporate conglomerates bribing our politicians and bureaucrats in order to buy up almost all the water in the U.S.
Heat and noise and dystopia?
Yep
Look at his bio this guy comes from money probably generations upon generations of greedy bastards
Kevin O'Leary used a data science team to trace coordinated false attacks on the Utah data center project back to organized networks, political activist groups and funding trails from massive international entities. IRS 990 filings and IP data revealed the connections. He delivered 90 pages of documented evidence to federal law enforcement and raised the issue directly with White House contacts, calling it a coordinated PR war against energy and data center infrastructure.
SOURCE: https://x.com/kevinolearytv/status/2059036986623819815
Where did he get this IP/Username data? He'd need to gather usernames and IP addresses from somewhere and I'm pretty sure that takes a subpoena.
Another way he could get it is have his nosy buddies at the CIA snag it from their panopticon machine.
AND YOU HAVE WON THE INTERNET FOR THE DAY with that answer!!!!!!
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Just google it. You can get IP addresses from emails.
You can do a MX record lookup of the domain it was sent from or look at the headers. It will return the IP of the email provider, not the home IP address of the account.
There’s going to be a lot of people both foreign and domestic with entrenched interests financial and otherwise seeking to influence the outcomes of the Datacenter debacle.
Risking rather justifiable concerns. Such as issues with Water usage getting buried under the additional noise, rhetoric, and hypothetical situations being used to argue both for and against.
Something worth keeping in mind. It’s rather cheap and not all that difficult to develop influence networks online now. Especially in the hyper partisan political environment. Use the right buzzwords and you’ll have a lot of people from one side or the other eating out of the palm of your hand. Hire a few people to be the ‘face’ and you can have what at a cursory glance looks like a Grassroots activist/citizens group. When a look beneath the hood would reveal the funding trails and the fact the ‘grassroots’ organization is anything but a collection of concerned citizens.
Much like with the Datacenters. Businessmen like O’Leary serving as ‘The Face’ can help disguise the funding and groups/people building the centers.
Wonderfull POS
Oleary is Gates 2.0. I wish they would ban his ass from North Dakota.
Gunnery Sargent Hartman wants to know, WTF is THAT
👀 What is THAT???? 👀
u/#wtf
Asking the real questions!! lol
Meh. Haven't seen such a coordinated campaign against something since Trump ran in 2016.
That's what gets me to believe Data Centers are okay. Plus, AI has been helpful in my life. And additionally, I live near the Great lakes - Water fears are absurd.
Yeah I’m with you.
“It uses a lot of water.”
Ok? Is that actually a problem? How exactly?
“It’s noisy.”
Ok. How noisy? From how far? How many people will that really affect where they want to put it?
“It’s ugly.”
More than other buildings? How?
I’m just seeing a lot of generic complaints that don’t seem that seem to be getting more consternation than they deserve but with no explanation. They just get repeated by everybody,
I don’t care what he’s says massive data centers are NOT good for the people and their environment. Period. Common sense. Mr. Canadian Money may feel differently. Tell him to put his massive data centers IN CANADA 🇨🇦 they certainly have the space!
On this one I disagree with Kevin. Ai at this massive scale is not good at all. Its detrimental to the environment and humanity itself.
Kek.
Kevin oleary is a canadian freak larping as American.
He can piss back to his shithole country.
I suspect China is funding these efforts to block data centers in the US. They and other bad actors are behind the AI fear-mongering.
Imagine if Goebbels had managed to trick American citizens into blocking the construction of munitions factories.
Furthermore, if kevin helped investigate all of this in a short amount of time by throwing money and resources, because his investments are at risk, then why not do the same to protect the land that enables his investments???? American needs money and resources to remove all the fraud, corruption, moles, traitors and evil corps that are dismantling the american constitution.
Now he needs to start tracking the purchasing and use of U.S. farmland and see how it's being weaponized against We The People.