Until we can remove the corruption running rampant within our criminal justice system and our courts, and until we can truly restore true justice throughout that system, I do not trust government to prosecute or pass judgement on anyone.
With a stroke of the pen they can make anyone a criminal. Unless the crime is proven beyond any reasonable doubt, we should not be so gung-ho to support capital punishment, or any conviction, that could result in the loss of freedom or life of an innocent man.
“It is more dangerous that even a guilty person should be punished without the forms of law than that he should escape.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
Letter to William Carmichael, 27 May 1788
“It is better ten guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer.” ~ Sir William Blackstone (1723-1780) English jurist, judge, Tory politician
Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1765-69
“A guilty man is punished as an example for the mob; an innocent man convicted is the business of every honest citizen.” ~ Jean de la Bruyere (1645-1696) French essayist and moralist
Les Caracteres, 1688
“I hear much of people's calling out to punish the guilty, but very few are concerned to clear the innocent.” ~ Daniel Defoe [Daniel Foe] (1660-1731) English writer, famous pamphleteer, journalist and novelist, wrote the novel Robinson Crusoe
An Appeal to Honor and Justice, 1715
“We now have so many regulations that everyone is guilty of some violation.” ~ Donald Alexander (1921-2009) American tax lawyer, Commissioner of Internal Revenue (1973-1977)
before Congress ~1975
“It is better to risk saving a guilty man than to condemn an innocent one.” ~ Voltaire [François Marie Arouet] (1694-1778) French Enlightenment writer, historian, and philosopher
Zadig, 1747
“It is better, so the Fourth Amendment teaches us, that the guilty sometimes go free than the citizens be subject to easy arrest.” ~ Justice William O. Douglas (1898-1980), U. S. Supreme Court Justice
Henry v. United States, 1959
Waiting for government to be perfect ("restore true justice") has no end. You misconceive the authority to pass a verdict of judgement. It is in the jury, not the judge. It is not "the government"; it is the people. There is no excuse to defer condign punishment, particularly of capital crimes. (Appeals are a legitimate delay, especially if forensic evidence can vindicate the convicted.)
The Jury and Grand Jury have been completely subverted by government. You are gravely mistaken if you think our government, today, is the people. It is not anything like the framers of the Constitution set up. Therein lies the problem.
Doesn't matter. The people are still responsible. The verdict is still rendered by the jury. The problem is the people getting off their butts and engaging in political action. My experience is that most conservatives don't want to do that---but the radical left is more than willing.
I don't have any illusions about the government---but neither do I have any illusions about who bears ultimate responsibility. Too easy to complain, "Oh, it's not MY fault." Doesn't matter. It is OUR problem.
I actually think you agree, even though the recognition of the problem is emotionally difficult.
The problem is ignorance, apathy, laziness, and a corrupt system. I try to educate people on the true and proper power of a Juror, but, as you stated, many people can't be bothered to learn, let alone get off their butt to go be a Juror.
I think it is more though. People (especially many on this board) are 100% convinced that government is going to fix itself. The "Military" is the only way. That puts the responsibility 100% on someone else, and ignores the very doctrine the framers of our Constitution established. That is the person responsible is the same one staring back at you when you look into a mirror.
I have personally witnessed a close family member get convicted by a jury for a crime that never happened. I watched the judge manipulate and tamper with the jury throughout the trial, I watched the judge allow the prosecutor to basically do whatever they wanted to do, and the jury was told that was all OK. In short, the courts are totally without impartiality, and devoid of any semblance of justice.
Yes, much of it is because of the people, but it is also the people responsible today to fix it all. The Declaration of Independence is the blueprint for that action.
Also, many trials today have no jury. They are 100% decided by the judge. Even the jury trials are basically decided by the judge in 99% of cases. Very few Jurors ever speak up, or out.
Just release him to the general prison population and tell other prisoners that if he suddenly passes away, someone could get a free pack of smokes.
LOVE the name, lol. If only all bills were named to accurately reflect the Bill's contents lol
Until we can remove the corruption running rampant within our criminal justice system and our courts, and until we can truly restore true justice throughout that system, I do not trust government to prosecute or pass judgement on anyone.
With a stroke of the pen they can make anyone a criminal. Unless the crime is proven beyond any reasonable doubt, we should not be so gung-ho to support capital punishment, or any conviction, that could result in the loss of freedom or life of an innocent man.
“It is more dangerous that even a guilty person should be punished without the forms of law than that he should escape.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President Letter to William Carmichael, 27 May 1788
“It is better ten guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer.” ~ Sir William Blackstone (1723-1780) English jurist, judge, Tory politician Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1765-69
“A guilty man is punished as an example for the mob; an innocent man convicted is the business of every honest citizen.” ~ Jean de la Bruyere (1645-1696) French essayist and moralist Les Caracteres, 1688
“I hear much of people's calling out to punish the guilty, but very few are concerned to clear the innocent.” ~ Daniel Defoe [Daniel Foe] (1660-1731) English writer, famous pamphleteer, journalist and novelist, wrote the novel Robinson Crusoe An Appeal to Honor and Justice, 1715
“We now have so many regulations that everyone is guilty of some violation.” ~ Donald Alexander (1921-2009) American tax lawyer, Commissioner of Internal Revenue (1973-1977) before Congress ~1975
“It is better to risk saving a guilty man than to condemn an innocent one.” ~ Voltaire [François Marie Arouet] (1694-1778) French Enlightenment writer, historian, and philosopher Zadig, 1747
“It is better, so the Fourth Amendment teaches us, that the guilty sometimes go free than the citizens be subject to easy arrest.” ~ Justice William O. Douglas (1898-1980), U. S. Supreme Court Justice Henry v. United States, 1959
Waiting for government to be perfect ("restore true justice") has no end. You misconceive the authority to pass a verdict of judgement. It is in the jury, not the judge. It is not "the government"; it is the people. There is no excuse to defer condign punishment, particularly of capital crimes. (Appeals are a legitimate delay, especially if forensic evidence can vindicate the convicted.)
The Jury and Grand Jury have been completely subverted by government. You are gravely mistaken if you think our government, today, is the people. It is not anything like the framers of the Constitution set up. Therein lies the problem.
Doesn't matter. The people are still responsible. The verdict is still rendered by the jury. The problem is the people getting off their butts and engaging in political action. My experience is that most conservatives don't want to do that---but the radical left is more than willing.
I don't have any illusions about the government---but neither do I have any illusions about who bears ultimate responsibility. Too easy to complain, "Oh, it's not MY fault." Doesn't matter. It is OUR problem.
I actually think you agree, even though the recognition of the problem is emotionally difficult.
The problem is ignorance, apathy, laziness, and a corrupt system. I try to educate people on the true and proper power of a Juror, but, as you stated, many people can't be bothered to learn, let alone get off their butt to go be a Juror.
I think it is more though. People (especially many on this board) are 100% convinced that government is going to fix itself. The "Military" is the only way. That puts the responsibility 100% on someone else, and ignores the very doctrine the framers of our Constitution established. That is the person responsible is the same one staring back at you when you look into a mirror.
I have personally witnessed a close family member get convicted by a jury for a crime that never happened. I watched the judge manipulate and tamper with the jury throughout the trial, I watched the judge allow the prosecutor to basically do whatever they wanted to do, and the jury was told that was all OK. In short, the courts are totally without impartiality, and devoid of any semblance of justice.
Yes, much of it is because of the people, but it is also the people responsible today to fix it all. The Declaration of Independence is the blueprint for that action.
Also, many trials today have no jury. They are 100% decided by the judge. Even the jury trials are basically decided by the judge in 99% of cases. Very few Jurors ever speak up, or out.
Time for the woodchipper act.
We can just call it the CHIPPER Act, the Children Hurt In Pedophile Predations Earns Retribution Act.
Make the executions televised.
You can't tell them; you've got to show them.
Another news announcement of an "INTRODUCTION".
Call me when any of this actually gets passed.
Has ANY of the "introductions" from the last year even made it to the floor in that CORRUPT Congress?
I am all in for this to become law but the chances of it becoming law in the current Congress are NIL which makes this grandstanding to me. IMHO