As I suspected. The "data centers will use all our water" panic seemingly came out of nowhere, even though such centers have been under construction, in some cases for years, without any concerns up to the present. And, as the article points out, hardly anyone has been dealing in the actual numbers. This is easy to do for an innumerate audience who react with emotion instead of intellect.
The numbers are crucial. I don't think the UK's Net Zero minister even has a calculator!
Typical cloud storage data centres can consume 100 MW to 200 MW but one of the proposed AI data centres is planned to consume a massive 5GW! That is enough for a couple of million homes.
That energy will be converted mainly into heat which will need to be removed if things are not to melt so we are talking about power station sized cooling systems. A large coal-fired power station in the UK would have produced about 2 GW, for comparison.
Then again, the water is not actually "consumed". It comes out as water, or steam, so it is still in circulation.
People are busy living life. Still i can see these things easily being a burden and huge cost for small municipalities.
How much extra supply do you think a small township or county has? Without massive investment in new wells and pumps and lines,and such.
Do the math and get back to me.
My old hometown in Michigan, got hoodwinked into building for a new property development that never got build. Now the water bills doubled for everyone in town. My parents used to turn the water off when they went south for the winter,and they were no longer allowed to do that to save money. It pissed them off so much,they sold their house in town and moved back to the farmhouse in a different township they used to rent out.
I will default to the make the tards pay for everything they need in the mean time.
How can you "see" it if you are not familiar with the numbers? You simply accept the panic. You do the math. It's your water district.
But facility development is no excuse for municipal utility mismanagement. And if a facility wants water without ponying up the costs, then the utility is wrong to put the burden on the general public. (My water utility is very transparent about projects and costs, sending out mini-reports with every bill, including comparison water rates of other neighboring water districts. My city has grown probably by a factor of 2 since I first settled here in 1982, and there have been no hiccups in availability of water.)
Our town was near its limit but doing just fine,their was no new construction,so they could have gone forever without raising rates. When you double the water bill on the retires living in town on very minimal social security,they are devastated. It's very hard to pay 100 dollers a month when people earn 600- 800 a month.
Fuk these tards with the data centers,they have to pay for everything,and not leach off the people who live their. Then they need to pay full property taxes like every other business in town.
I saw keven O Leary on fox,demanding subsidies, cause he was bringing in billions. But he wasn't actual bringing in anything to help the community. The computer chips in a building,are like gold in a bank,pretty pointless for the people......
The town I used to live in was bullshitted into give tax subsidies to fund a hot dog plant,they promised hundreds of jobs and then brought in Mexicans to work in them. Local people saw their rent go way up and they didn't get shit.
Anyways if you ever drive thru eastern Colorado and wonder why its a wasteland,its because they sold off all the water rights years ago to Denver. It used to be nice farmland with healthy farming communities....
Water is extremely important out west,it shouldn't be wasted. They should build them without using any water. IMAO
What you are explaining is how foolish the people were in permitting this to happen.
I agree with the importance of water. The data centers don't need water; it is only a matter of operating expense. There is something called refrigeration that can take care of the problem with no use of water at all. It will just require a bit more power. But if they are building their own powerplants, they can haul the freight.
As I suspected. The "data centers will use all our water" panic seemingly came out of nowhere, even though such centers have been under construction, in some cases for years, without any concerns up to the present. And, as the article points out, hardly anyone has been dealing in the actual numbers. This is easy to do for an innumerate audience who react with emotion instead of intellect.
The numbers are crucial. I don't think the UK's Net Zero minister even has a calculator!
Typical cloud storage data centres can consume 100 MW to 200 MW but one of the proposed AI data centres is planned to consume a massive 5GW! That is enough for a couple of million homes.
That energy will be converted mainly into heat which will need to be removed if things are not to melt so we are talking about power station sized cooling systems. A large coal-fired power station in the UK would have produced about 2 GW, for comparison.
Then again, the water is not actually "consumed". It comes out as water, or steam, so it is still in circulation.
People are busy living life. Still i can see these things easily being a burden and huge cost for small municipalities.
How much extra supply do you think a small township or county has? Without massive investment in new wells and pumps and lines,and such.
Do the math and get back to me.
My old hometown in Michigan, got hoodwinked into building for a new property development that never got build. Now the water bills doubled for everyone in town. My parents used to turn the water off when they went south for the winter,and they were no longer allowed to do that to save money. It pissed them off so much,they sold their house in town and moved back to the farmhouse in a different township they used to rent out.
I will default to the make the tards pay for everything they need in the mean time.
How can you "see" it if you are not familiar with the numbers? You simply accept the panic. You do the math. It's your water district.
But facility development is no excuse for municipal utility mismanagement. And if a facility wants water without ponying up the costs, then the utility is wrong to put the burden on the general public. (My water utility is very transparent about projects and costs, sending out mini-reports with every bill, including comparison water rates of other neighboring water districts. My city has grown probably by a factor of 2 since I first settled here in 1982, and there have been no hiccups in availability of water.)
Our town was near its limit but doing just fine,their was no new construction,so they could have gone forever without raising rates. When you double the water bill on the retires living in town on very minimal social security,they are devastated. It's very hard to pay 100 dollers a month when people earn 600- 800 a month.
Fuk these tards with the data centers,they have to pay for everything,and not leach off the people who live their. Then they need to pay full property taxes like every other business in town.
I agree with you. I haven't heard that they were asking for a free ride.
I saw keven O Leary on fox,demanding subsidies, cause he was bringing in billions. But he wasn't actual bringing in anything to help the community. The computer chips in a building,are like gold in a bank,pretty pointless for the people......
The town I used to live in was bullshitted into give tax subsidies to fund a hot dog plant,they promised hundreds of jobs and then brought in Mexicans to work in them. Local people saw their rent go way up and they didn't get shit.
Anyways if you ever drive thru eastern Colorado and wonder why its a wasteland,its because they sold off all the water rights years ago to Denver. It used to be nice farmland with healthy farming communities....
Water is extremely important out west,it shouldn't be wasted. They should build them without using any water. IMAO
What you are explaining is how foolish the people were in permitting this to happen.
I agree with the importance of water. The data centers don't need water; it is only a matter of operating expense. There is something called refrigeration that can take care of the problem with no use of water at all. It will just require a bit more power. But if they are building their own powerplants, they can haul the freight.
The tards building data centers should've spent a few dollars on public relations.
I know they live in a bubble,but still its retarded.
They really dropped the ball and are now scrambling to blame others.
Bookmarking to read later. Looking forward to the article series.
Just cut to the chase and tell us how much more in taxes will allow us to move on to the next fake crises?
I can live with out data centers.