Christians generally aren’t familiar with OUR part in atonement, because the guidelines are in the OT, and that’s all just a bunch of stories about big fish and haircuts and unusual tidal movements. Nothing about how to behave in there outside of the decalogue, nope. Also, those stories aren’t spiritually prophetic. Nope nope. Just some stories. “After we sing a song glorifying God’s Name that you don’t know and I’m not telling you, I’m going to quote a verse out of context, and you can listen to me telling a moralized parable about my dog for an hour. Be sure to Tithe. That’s absolutely still relevant.”
Good question! We cannot atone for our sins to God. This is correct.
With regard to what I meant there, our sins against each other.
For example:
Exodus 22:1-3 - You shall pay (atone) for any property you stole
Exodus 21:33 - You shall pay (atone) for any harm caused because of a pit you have dug
Exodus 22:6 - You shall pay (atone) for any property you destroyed with fire
Exodus 22:7 - You shall pay double for anything stolen while under your care
Exodus 22:8 -You shall have to appear before a judge to determine your innocence (involved in derivation of “right to a trial by jury”, by the way)
Exodus 22:9 - You shall pay for anything stolen while under your hire
In the city, we would typically consider it absurd to think of “destroyed property by fire”, but in the country, someone ignores a burn ban and burns up his neighbors cattle and tractor - reconcile by paying that amount, and in some cases as much as double.
We tend to think of these more as things enforced by civil authorities, but God commands them as well. The law often shouldn’t even need to get involved with a Christian.
With regard to your question, while we cannot atone to God, we aught also “presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice” “circumcise” our hearts and “burn up the old paths of our flesh” and offer up works toward the Kingdom. Those works do not atone for our sins, but also “faith without works is dead”, and so we work them as praise and thanksgiving for our salvation. There’s still sacrifices, but yes, that atonement is not capable of being done by us.
In the situation above, the referenced atonement was toward men, however.
He thinks we are suckers that we will fall into his lies. Don’t buy anything from them. Traitor
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I agreed and I forgive them but don’t forget.
People really don’t like hearing that during the Justice Phase 😄
Also though, part of repentance is, or will be, atonement, so anyone finding themselves in need of forgiveness better be ready to atone.
Atonement takes some doing, too.
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Christians generally aren’t familiar with OUR part in atonement, because the guidelines are in the OT, and that’s all just a bunch of stories about big fish and haircuts and unusual tidal movements. Nothing about how to behave in there outside of the decalogue, nope. Also, those stories aren’t spiritually prophetic. Nope nope. Just some stories. “After we sing a song glorifying God’s Name that you don’t know and I’m not telling you, I’m going to quote a verse out of context, and you can listen to me telling a moralized parable about my dog for an hour. Be sure to Tithe. That’s absolutely still relevant.”
what's our part? Jesus atoned once for all sin
Good question! We cannot atone for our sins to God. This is correct.
With regard to what I meant there, our sins against each other.
For example:
In the city, we would typically consider it absurd to think of “destroyed property by fire”, but in the country, someone ignores a burn ban and burns up his neighbors cattle and tractor - reconcile by paying that amount, and in some cases as much as double.
We tend to think of these more as things enforced by civil authorities, but God commands them as well. The law often shouldn’t even need to get involved with a Christian.
With regard to your question, while we cannot atone to God, we aught also “presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice” “circumcise” our hearts and “burn up the old paths of our flesh” and offer up works toward the Kingdom. Those works do not atone for our sins, but also “faith without works is dead”, and so we work them as praise and thanksgiving for our salvation. There’s still sacrifices, but yes, that atonement is not capable of being done by us.
In the situation above, the referenced atonement was toward men, however.