Patriots taking care of Flock cameras.
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It’s astounding to me that these guys put on masks and hoodies, then leave their fingerprints all over the bags, poles, etc. Evidence, people! Put on a pair of gloves, for heavens sake.
And another one.
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So, we're countenancing public vandalism in order to satisfy neurotic fears? When they even admit that such technology is not necessary to impose tyranny? And that we are protected by the 4th Amerndment....so long as it is supported?
All I know is that this technology could have deterred or solved the break-in and burglary of my house, restoring my property and bringing the culprit to justice. Or the break-in and burglary of my car in a church parking lot. These are very pragmatic and freedom-sustaining possible benefits.
But---while engaging in fancies of being suspected of criminal action---these vandals go out to destroy public property and boast of their doings. Hmmm....maybe the government would be correct in going after them. Nothing like giving the government a casus belli on a silver platter. Typical self-destructive behavior of the immature mind.
Let's see... Communists retake power, suppress dissent, and implement climate lockdowns with max miles per period of time. A faraday bag and pre-2020 car used to suffice... not with Flock.
F = 6. These things also have a 19 amp hour battery in them. 19 = S = Satan
Easy to do without Flock cameras. Just require a travel pass for specific destinations and days of the week and regular checkpoints. A tyranny knows very well there is no climate concern; it would only be a pretext. (And spare me the bogus numerology. S = Superman, or Seraphim, or Sugarcake.)
What I am now curious about is why you so urgently want a crime-fighting tool to be disused. What next? Disarm the police? Defund the police? A person is known by his bedfellows.
Some people figure why take a chance.
The Stupid never stops. "Uh...I'm concerned that the government will use these cameras (in some way I don't yet know) to hunt me down. I'd better conduct some public vandalism to head that off at the pass and prevent their use to pursue criminals (like me)." No "chance" involved when you premeditate public vandalism, commit it, and celebrate it.
This is like excusing bank robbers because they figured "why take a chance?" on having no cash on hand.
I'm guessing you are older,and the future is not your problem.
Or one of the silent thieves. The same cabal that pushed Covid and the 2008 bubble is also pushing for Flock.
He must either have zero discernment, not touched the drops, or be a shill.
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Rich people don't have to worry about certain things, the rest of us do.
I am older and the future is always a problem. But I am old enough to understand that certain vaguely fearful futures are not feasible, and neurosis is not a basis for public policy...to solve a "problem" that violates no one's rights.
And, like any good doctor, I understand that it is better to treat the cause of a problem, than to treat its supposed symptoms.
It's the will west right now,we just have to trust these fuktards then?
Do you mean "wild west"? No, it's not really the Wild West. We trust the police with firearms. That's potentially more dangerous to our rights than a stupid camera that cannot see around corners. That is why it is important for police agencies to be independently responsible to the public, not to governance. Work the problem that needs to be worked, not get distracted by video toys.
The more relevant point is that there is no need to entertain a shapeless and nameless fear. Run the numbers. Nobody can afford the huge army required to put every person under continuous surveillance. And for what? If somebody wanted to sit on you, they would pluck out an operative, have him sit in a car across from your house to keep an eye on you, following you if you went anywhere. This is 19th century detective work. And you couldn't do a thing about it. But we don't fear it. Instead we fear a brainless piece of electronics that records an endless spool of boredom, mainly useful to investigate burglaries and fires and miscellaneous mayhem.
I'm not for or against but I can tell you that AI models can scan thousands of frames per second and flag up anyone who appears to be holding a cellphone while driving, for instance. Then the onus is on you to prove that you were actually holding a candy bar, or whatever.
I disagree they have so much money,they toss it at projects like this and see how it works out.
Money means nothing to them.
And it's probably all our money.
One more way to make us poor.
The government never does anything in moderation. Once they have a camera at each intersection and the public fails to resist, they will continue to encroach and deepen the assault on your privacy. Each step justifies the next step. Soon, every cell phone camera becomes a tool to violate your privacy without a warrant.
Are they guilty of warrantless surveillance and tracking? I think they are! If so, they are violating your civil rights. Looking at the flock camera website, the flock camera near my home is being monitored by the local police department
United States v. Jones (2012)
Police violated the Fourth Amendment by attaching a GPS tracker to a car without a warrant. Why it matters: The Court recognized that monitoring a person’s movements is a search requiring judicial oversight.
Never fails that you will be on the wrong side of every argument, good job.
And if they did, so what? They still can't muster the manpower to snoop on everyone. Nobody wants to take off that bedsheet. Besides, what privacy? You still can't seem to get it straight that being in public is not private. Who is forcing you to buy a cell phone?
Are they guilty of warrantless surveillance and tracking? I don't think you need a warrant to surveil; that's just collecting general data. And tracking? ARE they? That's the question...not what you imagine they are doing. What civil rights would they be violating if they are not intruding on your actual privacy? How is the flock camera near your home any different than a cop on a beat?
A person's car is a person's property, so there are 4th Amendment protections. They messed with his property to obtain the monitoring, so that's off limits. A person's public movements are not actually a matter of privacy (anyone can see him), so the court may have ruled mistakenly on that point.
I don't think I have been "on the wrong side of every argument", since I don't recall any exchanges with you.
In the whole matter, so long as the surveillance is of public spaces, there is no intrusion on the 4th Amendment, and the fear is groundless. The point is to use it to track down criminals, and I think that is a worthwhile function. It is the whole point of why we have police. Or do you want us to have no police?
“certified” technicians, if I’m every on a jury