Seems you’re over your own head, friend. I simply posited an opinion for others to ponder and comment on as they saw fit. Kind of a Steven Crowder “here’s my stance on x issue, change my mind” type of thing.

Seems you’re over your own head, friend. I simply posited an opinion for others to ponder and comment on as they saw fit. Kind of a Steven Crowder “here’s my stance on x issue, change my mind” type of thing.

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Well, to borrow your phrase, you either get it or you don’t. God bless.

Amazing how easily some people get triggered. And how a post like this can bring out some crazies. Thanks for keeping your comments productive. If the OK at the end of your moniker is for the state, Boomer!

Israel already had that land and gave it back. If they kept all the land they won in defensive wars, they’d not only have full control of Gaza, but also Judea and Samaria AND the Sinai Peninsula.

I don’t know who is a believer and who is not; that’s between you and God. My post was more of a call for introspection and focus so as not to cloud otherwise cogent arguments.

“Holohoax.” I wish I had my reading glasses on the first two times I suffered through your nonsensical diatribe. I was assuming you were just not very bright, possibly retarded, so I was doing my best to be patient and loving, and formulate sentences even the simplest among us could understand. Had I caught your “holohoax” reference on first reading, I would have realized, while you still may very well be stupid/retarded, your main problem is you are a scumbag, not worth trying to reason with any further.

Following the logic here, what of North America and Australia?

Whenever I ask, I get no answer. You are still missing a key point to this unicorn analogy - technically, we are currently discussing unicorn colors, even though (I assume) neither of us believe in unicorns. The point though is neither of us are saying “X cannot be true, because male unicorns are Y color.“ So to complete the circle here, it makes no sense to argue about biblical translations, which ones are true and which ones are not, if you don’t believe in the first place.

I get that part, I was just wondering why Grassley, from Iowa, wouldn’t use central time if it is comms. I want to know if I am missing what the explanation might be for the additional hour on top of the one between central and eastern.

Love it. But Iowa is central time. Shouldn’t he have posted that at 5:16PM?

Which fits perfectly the original point. In your scenario here, the person does believe in unicorns, he/she is just skeptical about the specifics of the white and purple thing. My argument is the person who doesn’t believe in unicorns sounds silly arguing about the color of said unicorns.

That’s for each individual to decide on their own. My point with the post is it’s silly to argue about what scripture does and doesn’t say if you don’t believe in it in the first place. As I’ve commented elsewhere here, that’s like arguing about what color male unicorns are when you don’t believe in unicorns in the first place.

That’s true of blind faith. I prefer to be an Acts 17:11 kind of guy.

The more accurate alternate title might be “Since I don’t believe in unicorns, it would be silly for me to argue that male unicorns are always blue and never green.”

Not at all what I wrote. The more accurate alternate title might be “Since I don’t believe in unicorns, it would be silly for me to argue that male unicorns are always blue and never green.”

That’s my point- I don’t know what the argument may be without knowing the foundation of your position. If you’re an atheist, or agnostic as your nom de plume might suggest, then I don’t have an argument with you at all because your stance is perfectly logical in that case.

If you do not believe that land belongs to Israel there are three “argument” options as I see them:

• If you’re not a Christian, we could have an intelligent historical debate about inhabitants of the land.
• If you are a Christian, but do not believe in the Bible, we could have an intelligent debate about how you could come to accept a faith without believing in its foundational documents; we could also have the same intelligent debate I’d have with the non-Christian regarding history. -if you are a Christian, and believe in the Bible on almost everything except this topic, our debate would have to be about Biblical interpretation or leaving the Bible out of it entirely and only talking history.

Every comment here attacking Christianity and/or the Bible proves my point precisely. If you don’t believe in those things, why would you cite them in your arguments about Israel?

If you’re not a believer, your opinion about modern day Israel should be a stand-alone argument. I feel bad for you, and pray you’ll have the most important awakening in the universe before it’s too late, but at least you can have some credibility in your argument from a purely logical perspective: “I’m an atheist/agnostic/what have you, therefore I don’t believe the Bible is the title deed to a piece of land in the Middle East.”

However, if you claim to be a Christian, but don’t believe in the Bible, you’re beginning every associated argument on the quicksand foundation of not having a logical basis for being a Christian in the first place.

Are you Christian?

Do you believe the Bible?

So why all the talk of “fake jews?” Unless I misread and you do not believe in the Bible? So many on this site who say they are believers, yet discount Biblical prophecies about Israel.

Who will carry out the MANY prophecies yet to be fulfilled specifically regarding the jews and land of Israel?

I keep seeing stuff like this and it begs the question- if this is true, where are all the “real” jews right now?

Thank you, OP. Unfortunately too many people on this site are quite ignorant. That is God’s land. The whole planet is His of course, but that particular piece of real estate was set aside. In modern history it seems the reason it’s been constantly divided is because Israel doesn’t accept it as theirs and allows it to be carved up into fake places that make up “Palestine.”