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FractalizingIron 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are assuming his reasons for walking away were completely self centered and for self preservation. I don't think you have any real concept of what people who live in Nixon's world - ie president of a nation - think or deal with.

If he thought the only way to preserve the country was to retreat, then what?

Have you ever been a governor? Or the a person responsible for the lives of a few thousands, let alone millions of people?

If I could take these people down with knowledge and proof,

That's the thing. I think that at this juncture, Nixon clearly knew that he could NOT take them down. They had him outmaneuvered and out powered.

So, what? Go out blazing for your own sanctification, even though it would hurt the country even more and make anyone who follows later, make their job infinitely more difficult?

In military terms, sometimes a controlled retreat is the best option.

If you aren't willing to die

The man stood up to be President. Do you think that he hadn't already been willing to die? He knew how JFK was taken down.

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FractalizingIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dude you totally have to up your game if you are going to post. You post a lot. You are, in fact, quite prolific.

Not making it crystal clear that you are quoting someone, reporting what they were saying, etc, and not you, is a totally newbie level play. No excuse, bro.

20 seconds of your effort would save others so much time and prevent the confusion that has many people now taking time and mental energy out of their day to give you advice and encourage you regarding your issue. Which is not your issue.

Jeepers. Be better.

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FractalizingIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

People didn't need to dig on this guy much. Lots of folks knew his nature. More like a put the spotlight on him to get wider recognition.

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FractalizingIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

There was an outpouring of the inverse.

That dude got heaps of smackdown from anons and A1 patriots.

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FractalizingIron 3 points ago +3 / -0

I saw a LOT of backlash from anons and Qpatriots the last few days regarding this pick.

Might have been a full-blown exposure mini psyop when DJT nominated him...

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FractalizingIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks Fren. Details are important.

Firstly, you've misquoted Q.

here is the actual text from the drop (Q918):

Wait until you learn who has been talking to you here.

Secondly, Q told anons very early on that (Q60):

"You can count the people who have the full picture on two hands. Of those (less than 10 people) only three are non-military."

Anons working with Q directly on the chans analyzed the texts and styles of the drops and many came to the conclusion that Q on the chans (i.e. those who were posting to the chans under the moniker "Q") were multiple individuals.

But those who were posting to the chans under "Q" does not necessarily mean the "less than 10".

So, yes, its clear there was a "Q team" if you define that team as those that "had the full picture", but also there may have been only two or three (or more) who posted to the chans.

It is also possible that some or all of those that posted to the chans were the Q presence on the web, but NOT part of the "full picture". They may have been a designated team under the "Q team" who were given the specific assignment to support or assist the posting of drops.

But sorry to burst a bubble! There is almost no likelihood that Radcliffe was Q, and zero that RFK was Q (I mean, neither the <10 Q team NOR the Q drop posters on the chans).

We know that Trump is Q+, but we don't know whether Q considered him to be 'non-military' because he was both potus (civilian) AND commander in chief (military).

Kash seems like a very possible contender for being part of the team. At a minimum, he has been read into a LOT of the operation and has played a significant role, whether or not he is part of the <10, or a Qdropper.

Like you, I suspect that Elon was always part of the operation, and I think that "Wait until you learn who has been talking to you here" specifically refers to him.

It will be interesting to see what is revealed during the next 4 years. However, it is very possible that we will never know (it's likely not important to the operation that we know....)

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FractalizingIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

However, it is important to note the details.

"You can count the people who have the full picture on two hands. Of those (less than 10 people) only three are non-military."

Q60

So its important to recall that the less than 10 refers to those who know the full picture of the Q plan (which would include knowing who was in that <10, and who wasn't).

Others may not have the "full picture" - necessary compartmentalization is critical for certain intel operations - but still know a lot about the operation.

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FractalizingIron 3 points ago +3 / -0

He was forced and maneuvered into doing that. He was fighting a losing battle, where the DS and Cabal held 85% of the territory, and he had only 15% and getting smaller.

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FractalizingIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think if you research in to the matter, he did not just "roll over". He was hunted, marked, attacked, and in the end outmaneuvered so that he literally had no choice.

It was DS Cabal vs Patriots, and the score was 24 to 4.

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FractalizingIron 4 points ago +4 / -0

Gee, that's a very ungenerous statement, considering that Nixon actually stood up to serve the entire nation on the presidential level. (I mean, can any of us even imagine what a person in that position has to deal with?)

I don't see it as him 'folding'. I think he was hunted, outmaneuvered, cornered and destroyed.

The Cabal and the Deep State simply had him and any like him at that time completely outnumbered and never in a position to win a fight against them.

Now things are different, however.

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FractalizingIron 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks for the reply!

Just to be clear, I guess I can be a little stuck on my view re: wray and many others.

Not that I expect an answer, but I cannot reconcile in my thinking that DJT did NOT know who Wray is and whether he could be trusted with the idea of the Q operation and that this restoration of America has been planned for a long time and is backed by the highest level of patriots in the military intelligence community. So, because I hold those last two things to be axiomatic to the Great Awakening and the entire reason for the existence of this board, the idea that Trump didn't know who Wray is makes no sense to me (I find the idea rather absurd).

Then, after appointing Wray in 2017, Trump would have had a LOT of time to find out exactly who Wray is. Perhaps your idea here is that Wray played nice until the end of the Trump administration, (i.e. Nov election in 2020) and then decided OK, now I can just go full blown nasty, because Trump cannot fire me now (not without looking like he is obstructing me).

I guess that is possible on the face of it.

I don't really think Trump cares much about how the media are going to see him or paint him to the public. They'd been doing it for the entire previous 5 years anyway.

Maybe Chris Wray and others are double agents and had to betray Donald Trump in order for the next phase of the plan to unfold.

Hmmmm.... I guess I think they "look" on the surface that they betrayed Trump, but if their actions are ultimately to advance the plan that Trump has and are acting to facilitate that buy playing 'bad guys', then of course, they aren't really betraying Trump. But I guess that's what you are also saying to. I think its worth thinking if that is indeed possible. I tend strongly to think that this is the case.

Anyway, thanks for the reply, and the stimulating discussion. Its always good to bandy around contrasting ideas. It usually helps us think better.

Much appreciated!

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FractalizingIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

just a lot of questions that will probably go unanswered. :)

I guess we're all like that.

I wouldn't mind having a live debate on the actual topic, there are so many dimensions that I think have not been addressed because the two camps seem so stuck fast to their position and don't really address the other's points that much.

I guess I'm like that. I find the whole thing ridiculous, and the morality of the issue is only one of the aspects that to me seems important. But at this point, the narrative has buried itself deep within the sphere of awakening with a lot of adherents. Something that also concerns me, to be honest.

But anyway... Hey, I really appreciate the cordial and thoughtful reply!

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FractalizingIron 1 point ago +1 / -0

Also, why do you think Trump put Wray in there as FBI director?

Why do you think he did NOT fire him during 2017-2020. Why would firing him prior to January 6 be seen as obstruction in some way?

What percentage of the FBI are bad guys, do you think? 100%? 70% 30% 10%?

He basically tried to deploy the National Guard but he was rejected by Nancy Pelosi and Washington Mayor Bowser.

I don't know if 'tried' is the right word. We know that Trump and team certainly offered and encouraged Pelosi and Swamp to deploy the NG, and issued the necessary orders, but also that they did not take them up.

Do you believe Trump when he said "I caught them all"? Do you think he knew what he was doing 2017-2020? If so, isn't he then responsible and negligent if Wray (and a myriad of others) are in fact DS assets? Why did the FBI continue to do a great job in finding and arresting Chinese spies during Wray's tenure? Also, all the arrests in child trafficking operations etc?

Are you then convinced that Wray must be evil, and that there cannot be a lot of things going on behind the scenes that are not obvious on the surface?

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FractalizingIron 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks.

Do you then think that in terms of 5G warfare, the raid on the President's home at Mar-a-Lago actually hurt Donald Trump, and the Maga cause and the Great Awakening, or helped it?

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FractalizingIron 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fair enough. For me, everything I've seen about Flynn since 2018 has only strengthened my conviction that he is extremely close to the Q plan, that he is a full-blooded patriot of the highest quality. The attacks he has received, and importantly the people who have attacked, accused or tried to undermine him, those two things are important markers for me. Negative indicators.

In the meantime, we move forward. hopefully.

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FractalizingIron 1 point ago +1 / -0

Numerous points here are worth discussing, but as you write, "without writing a book".

You've listed a bunch of accusations which you think Wray is accountable for. Perhaps you have your reasons for convicting him on each of these accusations, which might be worth discussing.

In any case these are questions that come to my mind when reading your list.

"infiltrating...." Was Wray in charge of that infiltration? Did he direct it? Or was it being done by deep state actors within the FBI network?

"McCabe...." Is the FBI director responsible (makes the decisions) on who keeps their DOJ pensions or not? (I seriously doubt that)

"being Nazi arm..." (no comment, not rational, just reactive)

"dedication to arresting and imprisoning conservatives" as far as I know, the FBI does NOT dictate prosecutions, etc. the imprisoning part falls on the shoulders of other DOJ elements. However, I do not know to what extent the FBI was directly involved in the arrests and who was targeted for arrest.

"how they raid..." Mar-a-lago".... these things ONLY have helped to expose the corruption of the DOJ (including the FBI network) to the American people. They have not harmed the cause, only helped it.

"Stonewalling"...

So again, if you BELIEVE Wray to be evil, then you can interpret all these things to support that view. But if he is acting as a patriot to help exposes and ultimately create the support necessary in the American people to completely clean up the FBI by someone like Patel, then some of these things ALSO can be understood on that basis.

I guess we are all guilty at some time of putting the cart before the horse. I.e. We put our belief up first, and THEN examine or evaluate the evidence based on that (interpreting the factual data in ways that uphold my belief).

The ONE thing that gives me pause about Wray is Kash Patel's take on Wray. But even then, we are still in a war of narratives where things are rarely what they seem.

My main interest is in keeping an open mind, trying to understand the situation and players in light of the Q operation, the nature of 5G warfare, and not just letting my emotions dictate my thinking.

Why? Because to navigate these times, and not get caught up in the war and the narratives, but keeping a clear head, this is what makes things bearable, imo.

But let me ask a question. Trump was Wray's boss. Does this not mean that Trump is then responsible for putting Wray there and KEEPING Wray there? Trump could have fired Wray at any time during his administration. Why do you think he put Wray there and why did he keep him there?

Asking for a fren...

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FractalizingIron 1 point ago +1 / -0

The authorities on the ground were the DC police (Capitol Police) and potentially national guard. Pelosi and the DC Mayor are directly responsible for how these forces acted or didn't on the day.

It is widely believed by smart people that there were Feds, aka FBI agents, planted in groups like the proud boys, etc, that helped to instigate the chaos.

Do you think that the FBI director knows and controls every single action by the entire FBI? There is a chain of command. And then, there are very likely rogue elements within the entire network, that will act on the orders of (others) i.e. controllers outside the network.

Blaming Wray for J6 is a very simplistic way of thinking, imo. Just as the President doesn't control everything and every one of the hundreds of thousands of employees in the government. Heck, that is what the Deep State is! people working within the system but operating to undermine legitimate rule.

It seems pretty darn clear that Trump knew what they were planning. So then, why did he not instruct Wray to do something? By your reasoning, Trump is responsible for J6 because he did nothing to prevent it.

See? This is how selective thinking based on an emotional reaction undermines logical thinking. If you blame Wray, then you HAVE To blame Trump, because he put Wray in place and he was his boss. The WHOLE time. Why did he not just fire him?

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FractalizingIron 4 points ago +4 / -0

I think the "that is not the real Joe Biden" is ridiculous. Personally, I would morally totally reject any so called white hats that perpetrate that level of deception on the American people, regardless of the motivation.

The "not the real biden" is an infection on the entire truth community. Just like the entire Real Raw News push.

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FractalizingIron 15 points ago +16 / -1

I have no concern about that. The pedophilia, and crimes against children, etc, are all going to be exposed. You have to remember: For every Joe and Hunter out there, there are hundreds of thousands of pedos and powerful people blackmailed in all countries around the world. The system is the problem. Destroying the system that creates and promotes and protects pedophilia and human trafficking and blackmail and control is the greatest priority.

We don't need Biden for that, imo.

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FractalizingIron 5 points ago +5 / -0

Worth noting. No one (2nd only to DJT) has been as heavily under attack as Flynn from Deep State shills and fake anons...

They hate him. They fear him. And you can be certain they will continue to attack him. Because he knows.

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FractalizingIron 5 points ago +5 / -0

been most vocal "AGAINST" Q

Bwahahaah. Yeah, and that's why he has been on X22 numerous times, on plenty of Q-related podcasts and anon speakers. Constantly.

happy to take money and sell merch...

because any financial foundation he and his family had was destroyed by the Deep State operation to destroy him with lawfare. What a bastard, right?

"This" is the guy that Dan's talking about when he says "stop calling and don't bother"

And, you know this ... how? Dan told you, did he? Flynn has been 100% supportive of DJT since DJT left the white house. Scavino was specifically talking to people who disappeared (cut ties to DJT) but who then reappeared now that he's back.

Flynn has been endlessly campaigning for Maga and President Trump the last 4 years.

Anyway, as you say, lots of people are going to be upset .... I can think of one handshake account that I'm confident will be.

Hey, shills gotta shill! Stick too it.

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