Then it wouldn’t be forcing her to carry out a pregnancy, although medically I’m pretty certain that it’s Ill-advised for a 10 year old to carry out a pregnancy.
Your question is moot though, since she wanted to end the pregnancy. This whole conversation is about allowing women the choice to end a pregnancy that they don’t want. And still, this bears repeating, it’s incredibly fucked up that you think that she should have been forced to carry it out
Are you familiar with the story?
My point is to refute the claim you made that pain is temporary, especially from trauma, and based on you not willing to answer the question it seems like you know that just as well as I do that this is true, and that the pain doesn’t just go away
Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, particularly one from rape and/or incest, is a traumatic experience. One that she would have to live with for the rest of her life on top of experiencing the physical toll that a pregnancy. It’s fucked up forcing a woman to go through that ordeal.
I’m not trying to “get you” to say anything. I’m asking you a question and just am looking for an honest answer. You can either tell me it’s accurate or correct whatever idea I have wrong about the scenario.
It’s egregious in cases of rape regardless. It’s downright inhumane when the girl is 10, so I’m astonished that you would force her to carry an incest baby. Incredibly fucked up.
It’s absolutely not the same thing. I would be 100% in favor of terminating the pregnancy, because it would absolutely physically wreck the girl otherwise.
Kind of fucked up you’d disagree and would rather make a kid suffer through carrying the child of her rapist uncle
I have. It doesn’t change my stance
I haven't made my point yet, that is correct. I am building up to it. Would you say my description is accurate or not?
Why is that wrong? Why is it better to force the 10 year old to carry that baby to term?
I don't believe abortion is murder, so that's part of where we're going to disagree.
So in the case just a couple years ago where a 10 year old was raped and impregnated by her uncle…it would be wrong to terminate that pregnancy just because she “didn’t want it”?
Absolutely! But that wasn’t my question. I assume though from your response that yes you still feel that pain. Odds are that you’ll feel that pain for a long time, even though many days will be easier to hold that burden, other days may contain reminders of that trauma that will make things difficult.
Would you say that’s accurate?
Totally fair answer! There is certainly the detail of you making the conscious choice to pull the lever. Let’s say the trolley is headed towards a group of 5 schoolchildren. You can let it run straight, or switch it to hit 5 adults.
What do you do?
When you put it so simply, sure. But situations aren’t always that simple. I understand some women make the choice to carry the child, and that’s their choice. My point is it should be a choice, and not forced.
It doesn’t “matter,” but I’m still curious. You said that pain is temporary, and offered no exception. You’ve experienced trauma, I’m wondering if you no longer feel any pain from it.
That’s an excellent point! Level of harm is completely subjective. It can be argued that while an abortion is certainly a difficult situation, when you gather the full scope of the situation the morality and ethics of it can be quite murky. That’s exactly the point of the trolley problem
So you have heard of it, but you disregard it as a discussion of ethics and morality?
Has that trauma caused you any emotional distress or pain at times?
Have you ever been through a personal trauma? I understand you believe this question is irrelevant, but humor me for a second.
If everything is subjective, then how can you definitively argue that pain is never permanent?
Have you ever heard of the trolley problem?
Have you ever been through a trauma?
I'm glad that you would do that, but that doesn't exist now. As it stands, the movement currently sets out to punish the victim before we make more strides to punish the rapist.
Patently false that pain is temporary? It's beyond just physical. Emotional trauma is very much a thing after rape, and arguable more so if a person is forced to carry that pregnancy to term. Have you read about victims who suffer this?
Yes, I'm well aware of that. I'm telling you that it isn't a failsafe
Which part are you disagreeing with?