Our positions are falsifiable. He can do the legwork to find examples of inconsistencies if he wants, it's not incumbent on us to disprove a negative.
Loyalty and allegiance are not the same thing.
Loyalty is not blind. If you don't thinks someone is in the right, because you're young and don't have years of experience or context, you won't extend an allegiance to them.
You can be loyal to a fault, with much left to learn, and still decide to dismiss Linn
Just because you find some regs does not mean you've found all the regs. Those things are nested like onions and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - it's not evidence that no additional guidelines exist.
Find me cases of foreign dignitaries arriving at Arlington receiving 3+1@3sec and I'll reconsider. Find me a POTUS other than Biden receiving a 2+1@9sec and I'll reconsider.
My position is falsifiable, but I could not do so and it's not incumbent on me to disprove a negative. I'm at my investigitorial limits so if you want more it's on your head now. For the time being, it best fits the available facts and I await others to do legwork to find the inconsistencies that your alternative interpretation would result in.
Yes that is what happened. And for additional context, when the salute accompanies music such as hail to the chief, the battery commander coordinates to ensure the first shot coincides with the start of the music. It only appears to start within moments because the first shot is muffled by the sudden volume increase by music and cheers and you're waiting three seconds for the second shot.
With Biden there's music but no gun rapports, and no video of guns because none were positioned, because no salute was to be given, because as I surmise the military clearly knows, and clearly does not recognize Biden.
Good luck with that
I mean, routine traffic typically doesn't occur at night time. You schedule that for when people and resources are awake.
And a good deal of non routine stuff that you'd hope to see may not transmit at all.
Make sure everyone you know knows, don't assume they do.
Even if they know, if you don't bring it up, they may not think to make sure the people they know, know.
Not only that, but foreign dignitaries can receive 21 gun salutes when visiting installations... such as Arlington National Cemetery. But what's the difference between a presidential salute and a foreign dignitary's salute?
3+1 gun battery configuration, 3 second intervals
And here is Jordan's Secretary of Defense visiting
2+1 gun battery configuration, 9 second intervals
2+1 gun battery configuration, 9 second intervals
Not only was Biden denied the salute following his oath at the 'inauguration', but Biden was received at Arlington National Cemetery as though he were a visiting foreign dignitary.
Thought I already corrected it, ty
So I've finished up looking into this. Here is the simple to follow conclusion (trust me):
1: Every single President (except Biden) received a 21 gun salute IMMEDIATELY following their oath - Link to comment
3: 21 gun salutes are also given to foreign dignitaries - Table 3-1
5: As seen previous, that 21 gun salute was performed with a 2+1 gun configuration, with 9 second intervals
6: Biden visiting Arlington National Cemetery was the only salute he received
Ergo Ipso Facto, Biden was not recognized, and therefore not saluted as the United States President at the 'inauguration', and was received at Arlington National Cemetery as though he were a foreign dignitary.
Foreign dignitaries can receive 21 gun salutes when visiting installations... such as Arlington National Cemetery. But what's the difference between a presidential salute and a foreign dignitary's salute?
3+1 gun battery configuration, 3 second intervals
And here is Jordan's Secretary of Defense visiting
2+1 gun battery configuration, 9 second intervals
2+1 gun battery configuration, 9 second intervals
POTUS always gets the 3+1@3sec configuration. So not only was Biden denied the salute following his oath at the 'inauguration', but Biden was received at Arlington National Cemetery as though he were a visiting foreign dignitary.
The Military does not recognize Biden
And that means literally everything is in play and ongoing
Dude, interval IS important.
It is supposed to be 3 second unless.... And none of the "unless" apply, and certainly not for a presidential 21 gun salute!
MSM is labeling that 3 gun (2 used, 1 as back up) video as the 21 gun salute by starting it right as they begin and hoping you assume the first 11 shots were cut off, but the incorrect timing and incorrect number of guns is a dead giveaway.
For more info, check out this comment I left in the same thread comparing previous presidents
We keep digging up more and adding on to it
I made a similar assumption.
While it seems any citizen can apply to lay a wreath, I found no video in searches for foreign dignitaries, ambassadors, or heads of state doing so. But admittedly, those may not have been video recorded or uploaded. Even finding presidential video was not easy. YT only wants to show you Biden and Trump.
I made it it's own post, went no where, and added it to an appropriate stickied post just now. It's up to others to appreciate and spread it now.
Literally no. Watch the videos, the 10 gun salute at Arlington was the standard two man crew with five commanding. The 21 gun salute is 3 + 1 guns (one is backup) firing 7 shots each at 3 second intervals. The ten gun salute Biden claims as his '21' was clearly 2 + 1 guns firing 5 each 10 seconds apart. Moreover, this was at Arlington and NOT immediately following his oath like with every other Presidential inauguration previous without exception.
The truth, Here is both Bushes inauguration queued up. You can hear, and see the guns giving them the 21 gun salute. Not so with Biden. No guns at all. Can't see them, can't hear them. The 'salute' at Arlington was standard for foreign dignitaries visiting.
In fact, this comment has every televised president back to Kennedy I could find. Biden is the only exception.
And adding for additional context
Here are wreath layings from multiple presidents. Biden doesn't lay his. The only evidence I have of other Presidents not laying a wreath are when they arrive on holidays (memorial/veterans day) when a wreath was already laid whether they showed up or not (Trump famously was 30 min late to one.)
Biden does not lay the wreath, all others do
Here is every televised Presidential inauguration going back as far as I could find on Youtube. In every single one, the incoming President receives a 21 gun salute immediately following his oath. Biden did not.
Note: Every link is queued up for your convenience. Except for Carter, the guns are always shown. And in all cases, you can hear the guns ... ALL EXCEPT BIDEN.
2021 - Biden
2017 - Trump
2009 - Obama
2001 - Bush
1993 - Clinton
1989 - Bush Sr.
1981 - Regan
1977 - Carter
1969 - Nixon
LBJ & Kennedy are harder to find. But Kennedy got the salute, if you believe this auction for a mortar shell casing from his inauguration
Again, not only are the guns not shown with Biden, you can't hear them at all. This is NOT normal.
I also found this:
As a rule, the firing of a salute will begin at the time the person entitled to it
I think that's only for when the wreath is layed, and not necessarily when someone approaches to pay respect. At least, that's what I gather from videos. Trump when 30 minutes late to a wreath laying that had already been performed (memorial day, was happening whether he was there or not) approached post-laying without colors being lowered.
But damn good eye.
I permit myself on stupid mistake per day, thanks!
Seems it's happened before, but the VP is literally no where in the chain of command. Just because he's first in line for the position of commander in chief doesn't mean he should be saluted anymore than the secretary of education for being 17th in line or whatever.
You'd think he'd know the protocol, but lots of new presidents who never served screw up protocol. Could be dementia, could be he's playing up what it looks like to idiot viewers who don't know better.
None of the NG social distanced when they were deployed and billeted throughout the Capital. No one in attendance social distanced. They didn't social distance when they gave the 21 gun salute to Biden at Arlington later in the 2+1@9second configuration.
So no, that's not a valid excuse.
And in case you missed it, here is the case that Biden was greeted as a foreign dignitary with his salute at Arlington. Scroll down to get to the comment.