You're the one who wanted to bring up Africa.
I was asking for any evidence that vaccination has increased covid incidence and severity in the UK. You did not have such evidence to present. I would have to look into the studies of covid in Africa to be able to respond, do you have any good ones that you can link for me?
Numbers from the original report that were not included in this article show that the vaccinated population has a lower chance of hospitalization or death than the unvaccinated population.
In other words, this article is misleading garbage.
Sorry, I thought you wanted to debate the facts.
The fact is this article reaches exactly the wrong conclusions from the report that it links to, and that report is grossly misrepresented here. The fact that articles like this get stickied here is a problem, because this kind of misinformation makes us all look stupid when we try to debate the merits of the vaccine.
I have not been arguing pro vax, I have been arguing anti-misinformation. There are good reasons to be cautious about the vaccine but posts like this are just plain wrong.
The fact that you immediately attack anyone who questions the (misleading) narrative shows what's wrong with this site lately.
The original document that is misquoted and misrepresented in this article points out several reasons why these unadjusted numbers should not be used to gauge vaccine efficiency:
- testing behavior between the two populations differs and is not considered in these numbers
- those most likely to be vaccinated are also in groups at highest risk for contracting covid in the first place
- unvaccinated individuals are more likely to have already had covid once and so their case rates may be lower (finally acknowledging acquired immunity)
- vaccinated individuals are more likely to participate in social settings that have higher risk of contracting covid
The original document that is misquoted and misrepresented in this article points out several reasons why these unadjusted numbers should not be used to gauge vaccine efficiency:
- testing behavior between the two populations differs and is not considered in these numbers
- those most likely to be vaccinated are also in groups at highest risk for contracting covid in the first place
- unvaccinated individuals are more likely to have already had covid once and so their case rates may be lower (finally acknowledging acquired immunity)
- vaccinated individuals are more likely to participate in social settings that have higher risk of contracting covid
I'm fine with taking a new look at data but this article wilfully omits key findings that make it look very misleading.
The most important point, regardless, is that unvaccinated folks are going to hospital more and are dying more. That fact was omitted on purpose by the posted article, which is super misleading.
Do you have some evidence to the contrary?
You are correct. Even the chart they show later with rates per 100,000 has important footer information and columns removed. They show more reported cases among vaccinated individuals, who are more likely to get tested, and the missing columns show higher rates of hospitalization and death among the unvaxed.
This is yet another misrepresentation of data that makes us look stupid when we try to use it.
We really need to stop posting this kind of stuff. These charts are all cherry picked from the linked reports, in some cases cutting off important footer information or whole columns.
For example, the "smoking gun" table that shows higher cases per 100,000 among vaccinated has a footer explaining that other statistical biases are not considered in those numbers. For example, people who have refused the shot are also less likely to get tested, so their numbers skew low. The columns omitted from that same chart show that unvaccinated individuals end up hospitalized or dead at higher rates across the board.
If it sounds too good to be true (though I'm not sure how it would be "good" if the vax is increasing covid severity), It probably isn't.
And the number of cases is misleading, as the omitted footer of the table that was explains. People who are not vaccinated are also less likely to get tested when they have a sniffle so their rates are skewed very low. When things actually get bad, they show up at the hospital in higher numbers per capita.
These posts are almost always wrong because they cherry pick specific data and don't show you what you don't want to see.
Of course they can and will say the same thing about us. So we get nowhere like this.
Not everything on the New York times or CNN is fake just like not everything in the New York Post or OAN is true.
Debunk the content, don't just throw it out because you don't like the source.
29 of 29 names that are Democrats picked by someone who wants to show Democrats are the ones getting sick. There are definitely more Republican names that should be on this list.