Never said I don't believe in Christ. I've repeatedly said, I lean Gnostic, Gnostics believe in Christ. They have a different version of Christ. The NT Christ is perverted by the R.C.C. You might want to look into a reading comprehension class.
The Snake in the Garden is not the Devil. I am definitely "rebellious" against Yhwh. And seeing as how you didn't answer my three questions I'm thinking you agree, Yhwh is evil and not Christ's father.
The Masons have a 5th column also, your demon run R.C.C. has been trying to take it over and evidently did in California. You should find a new country, if you are against the Freemasons and the Founding Fathers. Maybe you could shack up with your pedo friends at the Vatican and lure little children with all those Werther Originals in your pockets, you fossil. Or hide out in Argentina with the Nazis. and burn all that hidden knowledge you find hunting down Gnostics. Hypocrite.
The Devil is Yhwh.
Satan is a title, there are several Satans.
Lucifer is related to Christ.
[Rev. 22:16] “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Get it straight so you know who you and the crack team of rebel goys are after. What is it that you goys actually do to the "Satanist", annoy them with your ignorance?
I do have faith in Q. Q is based on logic, reason, and empiricism. Christianity is based on authority, tradition, revelation, and dogma. Not once has Q asked me for money or told me I was going to hell for not worshiping them.
The basis of Gnosticism says that the God of this world is evil and Christ was sent here to teach us about this world and how to escape it. Which fits right in with Simulation Theory / The Matrix.
I think you are mistaken. There is not a Jewish sect and a Christian sect of Gnosticism. The census is that Gnosticism is older than Christianity and if not older, emerged at the same time. Because the R.C.C. was so adamant in eradicating Gnosticism, like so many other religions, we may never know what the truth is, the R.C.C. met their objective. Gnosticism may have emerged out of Judaism but theres not a Jewish sect. There are several sects of Gnosticism though. Gnostics believe in Christ, so in no way is it Jewish other than believing the God of this world is Yhwh.
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Can you prove to me that Christ specifically states that his Father is Yhwh?
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Can you show me where in the NT Yhwh is specifically named as the Father/God?
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Can you name three benevolent things Yhwh did in the OT?
We not ever going to agree on the Templars. Karen Ralls, author of the Knights Templar Encyclopedia, argues that it is significant that "no specific evidence [of Baphomet] appears in either the Templar Rule or in other medieval period Templar documents. There is no proof the Templars were homosexuals. The Church accused them of that because it was considered heretical. How many Catholic Priests, Bishops, Cardinals are not only Homosexual but convicted Pedophiles. Don't you find you are being hypocritical by condemning the Templars for being supposed homosexuals?
Beside I have no problem with homosexuality. My brother is gay and is one of my favorite people.
The Templars started out as Catholic and I suspect as they were raiding and killing Gnostics and Cathars they ran across some hidden knowledge that convinced them the R.C.C. was hiding the truth. Took the riches and hidden knowledge and fled so they could make sure the R.C.C. couldn't destroy it, Im more pro-Templar than anti.
There is no proof the Gnostics worshiped Baphomet, though they do think the snake in the Garden of Eden was a benevolent being, which I tend to agree. The snake wanted us to become Gods like them, and Yhwh did not. What kind of Father doesn't want his children to grow up and become as good or better than he is. Yhwh wanted us ignorant and lower beings to him so he could control us. We ate from the Tree of Good and Evil and because of this we were put in this world to learn about Evil, next we will eat from the Tree of Life and become Gods with everlasting life. The Ophites didn't believe Christ was human, I do and so do other sects of Gnosticism.
John 3:14 - Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
This is a reference to the Kundalini. The raising of the ten Chakras from the sacrum to above the head to become an enlightened being. The staff is the spine and the snake is the Kundalini. Not all snakes are evil. Moses was an enlightened being and so shall we become enlightened / lifted up.
The Council of Nicea adopted Trinitarianism which there is no evidence of anywhere in the Bible. It's made up B.S. I'd be trying to stop it also.
Remember I said that the Ophites worshipped the snake? Would explain this chapel built post Vatican II:
There are venomous snakes (R.C.C.) and non-venomous snakes (Ophites).
So tell me, What is it that the Protestants believe that you have a problem with, other than the number of books and number of sects. What exact beliefs do you disagree with?
If the Catholic Church is against it, I study it. It doesn't matter to me what Luther did or didn't do, he's of little relevance to me.
I'm more studied in Gnosticism, but a little familiar with the Kabbalah and less so the Rosecrucitions. The Gnostics have way more truth in my opinion than the OT/NT Christianity. I would recommend you put aside your fear and read all three and see if it fits in with your beliefs, if not put it aside. I would definitely not recommend calling up the "Elite Sect" and trying to eradicate them. Thats what Nazis do. Live and let live. Let God sort them out.
I don't believe anything is required of you to attain salvation. Your Karma will take care of that.
I think the whole double O pope is B.S. Its a cover story. He was a Nazi and the Jews he saved were mostly all children whom he trafficked. If he was good guy Q wouldn't have posted that picture. Sorry, He A Bad Dude.
Im with you.Trump's stance on Israel is problematic. Not to mention the Epstein files as of late. Im just hoping it's 5d chess. "We're saving Israel for last" Q.
If there is "a 5th Column in every religion" why are you so against Judaism and Protestants yet love the Catholics? Isn't it all the same 5th column? Aren't they all corrupt? Shouldn't you get out from under the 5th columns rule?
My problem is with the Vatican and the Leaders of the Church. And for that matter all Organized Religious Leaders. I don't hate Catholics/Christians, I think they're brainwashed like the blue hairs. Hell I'm trying to help un-brainwash one right now. I don't hate you, I think you're hilarious.
I think you are projecting, I don't have hatred towards Christians, Jews or Muslims. I hate their Churches,Temples and Mosques. I enjoy debating ones who think the Bible is 100% true and factual, when it clearly has "holes" all throughout. I urge everyone to study ALL religions because I believe all religions are telling the same story and once you study all religions you find out how much they all have in common. The Religious leaders strongly advise against this because they want to control you and the truth. They create self righteous people who think they have the truth and God on their side and hate the ones who believe differently, just like Q repeatedly says; They want you separated by religion, ect. And how do you combat that....accept all religions, ect.
If Pope Pius XII helped the Jews, would that not be considered "Recognizing" them? I would think you would be against Pope Pius XII since he was helping Jews who were un-Baptised.
I don't trust the Pope Pius XII Article/Book, the Author is a colleague of Andrew McCarthy a RINO.
Yep, me again. Did you miss me?
You know Donald Trump took a loan from the Rothchilds as well, right? Would you consider him compromised by the Rothchilds? I am testing the consistency in your logic.
I know, it's very concerning. Currently he seems very Pro-Israel and Pro-Catholic yet Anti-Muslim. One out of three aint bad, I'm trusting the plan.
future predicesors would continue to push back against Jewish Supremecy & against their interest.
Yelp, They pushed back way to far I'd say.
Jews have not recognized our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.
Where in the Bible does it say this?
Besides, Its the same guy isn't it? (The Trinity)
Wasn't Yhwh their Lord first?
Any country that reject Catholicism will inevitably controlled by Jews & history proves it.
Don't you mean; The Vatican and the Catholics are controlled by Jews & history proves it."
You're a good sport. I was just poking fun.
Good luck battling Diablo ...look out he's in the pew right beside you praying for me.
Im not Jewish. Im French, Scottish, Welsh. Non-Religious.
The Abrahamic Religions are worshiping Thor/Zeus, so Im not protecting anyone. I think all organized religions are fucked in the head. They are weak people afraid of death or like to virtue signal, all the while being self-rightious and hypocrites. Your church demands you be willfully ignorant, by demanding you not accept all religious views, they use fear to control you. You are not allowed to study other religions.
I love Zoroastrianism, it the oldest continually practiced religion in the world. The story of Yima's account of the flood is the most logical and has archeological evidence (Derinkuyu). Rumi also was a Zoroastrian. Love it.
Gnostics believe in Christ, it is not Jewish. I strive to be a Heretic to the R.C.C.
Jewish sacrificing Children to Thor/Zeus, just like the Catholics sacrificing children they trafficked through the U.S. and Epstein Island to Thor/Zeus.
Dude, stop with the Fire and Brimstone, it only works on weak minds. I don't fear my God, my God loves me and wants me to learn about evil, just like a good parent teaches their child to watch out for Pedophile Catholics who will sacrifice them along side the Jews and Muslims and Protestants and all other organized religious groups.
Why do I care what Saint Stephen thinks, he just another brainwashed fool.
All of these groups have been at war with the Catholic Church, the church that is the cornerstone of Western Civilization.
That's because the R.C.C. is evil. They started the wars with all of those groups trying to eradicate their religion to gain control and hide the truth. Like they have been doing since their inception.
when the Judeo-Masons stuck a poison needle into the arms of almost every single man,woman & child with the intent to kill them off, Catholics have been dealing with this evil for centuries.
Long before transgender globo-homo's took over the world, Catholics had swiftly dealt with the International homosexual Bankers known as the Templars back in 1307...
Proven Fact: The Catholic Church Are Homosexual Pedophiles.
Long before Epstein island & child sex trafficking & occcult rituals was known about by the Q community, Catholics have known about the occult evil & more importantly, we fought back! (look up Saint Simon of Trent, Holy Child of Lagardia, Saint William of Norwich
That was five centuries ago at the least. Are you serious right now? The Catholic Church fights pedophilia? God Damn you are brainwashed, Splinter in your neighbors eye, Log in yours. I honestly can't believe you would bring up pedophilia as an argument FOR the R.C.C. Do just say shit without proof and just PRAY it's true.
What about the pedophila that took place in the Catholic Church for centuries?
Oh, let me guess, "TheCatholic Church was taken over by an Evil Cabal, there are two Catholic Churches...Blah, Blah , blah". The Catholic Church was taken over during Irenaeus' time.
What about the USCCB that fought Trump on the USAID funding? The R.C.C. was taking funds for illegal immigrants (Trafficking Minors).
Honestly, you are to far gone. You don't have the ability for logic. You have a mind virus. You never retort my arguments, which I take to mean you can't retort them. You just continue spewing unthought out weak, illogical musings.
History is on our side, not yours, bucko, you have no ties to history....
Bucko? Bucko? Really? What are you... like 80, who says Bucko as a threat, besides Richie Cunningham?
You're full of Malarkey. You Milksop, Pettifogger, Mollycoddle, Ninnyhammer, Ignoramus. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
No wonder the mind virus has such a hold on you, you've been brainwashed for 80 years.
I bet thats quite an Elite Sect of Catholics waring against Satan. A bunch of 80 year old Rebellious Goys battling Satan...You are a ridicules person.
Q was commenting on the prayer, he wasn't the OP. Q's not as direct as I am, they are more subtle, For instance:
He does reference Thor, thats who controls the Pope (The Chair), Thor is the Master.
Q post 290, Why is Q showing a picture of Thor at the same time they're showing a picture of the Pope?
The "Chair" serves the Master.
Who is the Master?
P = C.
Q
Thor being a Norse God points us to the Rune.
P = The Rune P
P = Thor (Thunraz)
C = The Rune C
C = Ulcer = a moral blemish or corrupting influence
Confirms Thor is "The Master"
Thor = Indra / Zeus / Yahweh (all Storm/Rain Gods, all the same God)
The God of the Winged Wheel Coin confirms Yhwh is the same as Zeus. There are sevral ancient coins that reference this, this is just one of them.
Who follows false gods now?
it would seem thet you are OK with there being a blob of 45,000 protestant sects...
I honestly think all Christianity is mislead, I don't care how many times you slice it. There are 292 denominations of Catholicism. There are 4 sect of Judaism. Again if its about the numbers, you should be Jewish. No one agrees on religion what's your point? If God wanted no religious disputes he could of created that way, He's an evil God who wants wars and fighting.
You are perpetrating exactly what the evil god wants you to do, be divisive. Q repeats this several times:
When you are blind, what do you see? THEY WANT YOU DIVIDED. Divided by religion. Divided by sex. Divided by political affiliation. Divided by class. When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those ‘different’ from you, not those responsible [controllers]. Divided you are weak. Divided you pose no threat to their control. When ‘non-dogmatic’ information becomes FREE & TRANSPARENT it becomes a threat to those who attempt to control the narrative and/or stable [livestock kept – sheep]. When you are awake, you stand on the outside of the stable (‘group-think’ collective), and have ‘free thought’. "Free thought" is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma.
You need to question your religion, yet the R.C.C. adamantly tells you "there is no salvation outside of the Church" ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT CONTROL OVER YOU. Wake Up. They stifle free-thought and you fail to see it. They instill this self righteousness in you to make you think you are in the right, you are not. No one is. God it's like talking to a wall. I would think a Q follower would know this by now.
1 Corinthians 15:1-3, John 3:16 & Mark 14:49 It was predetermined by God. The NT Jesus came here to die for your sins. Why are you blaming the Jews?
You are in a death cult and can't see it, you take part in pagan rituals and are totally unaware that the Eucharist is a pagan blood sacrifice. You worship Yhwh an evil God who hates you and pits you against his other worshipers (Protestants, Jews & Muslims). The Abrahamic Religions are consistently at war with each other because of your "Jealous God".
[Exodus 34:14] Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Phthonus he is often compared and linked to the goddess of chaos and discord, Éris, for always causing the same effects as the goddess, using and abusing jealousy and envy to create fights between everyone. Furthermore, they are both Daemons.
"Praying for you." You do realize that's what faux christian women say to spite each other and try to get a spiritual upper hand? You should really try to assert yourself like a man. You self-righteous, passive aggressive douche. You should probably save those prayers for yourself, you're going to need the R.C.C.'s forgiveness for following Q and Trump, you are a hypocritical heretic, choose a side.
What?????
I will pray for you
Please don't. Those Catholics are known to raise evil spirits....you know, with all that integrated paganism that they are unaware of...
Catholicism is the completion of Judisiam.
Babylon is the fountainhead of all paganism
Who's making up their own religion now? Where do you get this shit?
the Jews killed Christ,
Nope, the Roman Governor Pilate crucified Jesus.
you prefer, the synagogue of Satan is simply happy that your soul is not in communion with the church founded by Jesus Christ.
Fire and Brimstone, fear tactics only work on simpletons, save it. I'd say following a bunch of Kid Diddlers is a fast track to "Satan's Synagogue"
If you are not in communion with his church, you're outside of her salvation.
Your Church is lying to you. You have No idea who you are worshiping. Q showed you in post #290 & #998 who you are actually worshipping.
Why did Q mention the Catholic Church? Ehy did he post Arch Bishop Vigano's letter? Why did Trump retweet it?
The Catholic Church excommunicated Arch Bishop Vigano, because of his viewpoints and he's no longer Catholic. You better watch out, championing Vigano might get you excommunicated also...
the church that has been fighting the gnostic secret societies for centuries
The R.C.C. tried to eradicate Gnosticism because the Gnostics held the true Christianity.
People that have no link to history will not understand how far back this war between Christianity and paganism has existed.
There is so much paganism in Christianity.
Pope Gregory the Great, who told Saint Augustine of Canterbury that rather than tear down the pagan temples in Britain, he should instead add the pagan rituals into the mix of Christian practices.
You pull so much shit out of your ass that simply isn't true.
Why would any self professing Christian not want access to the authentic Bible?
The "Authentic Bible" is the Tanka. God gave Moses the first five books not 46?
Why would you want to follow a bible that had words added by Luther to justify his bastardized new religion?
Exactly. The Catholic Church bastardized the Jewish religion and didn't just add words, but entire books. Far less than what Luther did. By that logic you should be a Jew, if originality is how you judge religion.
I'm not Christian. I study all religions. As far as Christianity goes I lean more towards Gnosticism. I see nothing wrong with Kabbalah, Rosecrution or Mysticism of any kind. Its all potential knowledge.
For a proclaimed "Christian" you sure do have a lot of hate towards other religions. It almost like the R.C.C. teaches you to hate other religions.
What are you doing on a Q board if you follow the R.C.C.? Q is clearly against the R.C.C. and evidently, so is Trump.
....you sure don't know much about the faith you criticize.
Neither do you.
The first part of the Bible (OldTestament) is Jewish not Catholic.
I suspect that Jewish bigotry prevalent among Catholics is deeply rooted in a insecurity.
You should really research the temple who produced the Old Testament you claim to follow; your ignorance is in full display.
The Garden of Gethsemane and the Euchurist are anwsers to a question you did not ask, but I thought you did. So I don’t want to spend a lot of time on questions I haven’t completely thought through or analyzed or in the Eurcharist case, I’ve already made up my mind. I will give you some preliminary answers on the Garden of Gethsemane, but I don’t wish to argue yet. I feel we are getting off track a little bit from the orginal argument of; Is there proof that Jesus is the son of Yhwh in the NT. Is Yhwh evil?
Do you think Jesus was actually arrested for kidnapping that 'naked boy' rather than because the Roman government was told He was starting an insurrection?
Jesus himself says (v.49) I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. If Jesus was being arrested for insurection, why did they not arrest him in the act of preaching “insurection” in the temple. Instead Judas leads them to a garden in the middle of the night when he’s preaching to no one, Why? Jesus is even questioning it. What were Jesus, John, James and Peter doing in the garden, why did they need to have the other disciples be on the look out? What the hell were they doing?
[John 18] It is stated that Jesus was being arrested for claiming to be the king of the jews, so I don’t argue that…yet.
As is pointed out, the same word νεανίσκος is also used in Matt. 19:20 to describe the rich man who refused to part with his wealth to follow Christ. The dove-tail at the end of Ellicot's remarks is dasting.
Not sure what your point is here, young man is a word used describe lots of individuals.
Side note: Using Socrates, who lived some 430 years before Christ as a base for how to interpret the word νεανίσκος is ridiculous. How much has the english language evolved from 430 years ago?! I find this point to be nonsense.
2025-430=1595
Early Modern English (late 16th century) - The grammatical and orthographical conventions of literary English in the late 16th century and the 17th century are still very influential on modern Standard English. Most modern readers of English can understand texts written in the late phase of Early Modern English, such as the King James Bible and the works of William Shakespeare, and they have greatly influenced Modern English. Bad Argument. Its nonsense.
Anyways the idea that Mark 14:51 was actually describing a most disgusting alternate reality is absurd given the culmination of everything Christ did and said. It's a polar inversion of His character, just like calling YHWH satan.
Im unorthodox what can I say, I question everything. You’re right it is a polar inversion of his supossed charter, In my opinion so is the Eucharist. So what is a scantaly clad young man doing in the garden at 4 am with Jesus while the other disciples are on look out? The question remains.
For the record I call Yhwh the DEVIL or EVIL not Satan. They”re different beings in my view.
The passages you listed, such as where YHWH said the Israelite's wives would be taken by other men, are indeed dreadful examples of God's severity (and also of the serious nature of sin), which was all thankfully exhausted upon mankind (as a collective unit) at the cross.
I believe we were born into ignorance, sin is derived from ignorance. I don’t believe Jesus died for our sins, if he did there would be no sin,
God was harsh in the Mosaic covenant because in order to preserve mankind long enough to save us by sending the Messiah to balance the equation between holy God and unholy man, further sinning had to be clamped down on.
This is your opinion.
How exactly did Jesus dying clamp down on further sinning, it’s currently rampant.
…but if they destroyed one another along the way, what would be left to save?
If Yhwh, is all powerful, why didn’t he destroy the “sinners” of Canaan, Amalek, ect. himself, instead of sending the Jews to die in battle. If he was concerned with them destorying themselves, he would have destroyed the sinners, as he did with Sodom and Gomorrah.
The Abrahamic religions are destorying themselves to this day. Bad Argument.
Yhwh is a jealous god, he only wants worship and praise, it’s not about sin.
[Exodus 34:14] Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Phthonus he is often compared and linked to the goddess of chaos and discord, Éris, for always causing the same effects as the goddess, using and abusing jealousy and envy to create fights between everyone. Furthermore, they are both Daemons.
(Remember, Israel was unique at the time regarding morality laws. It was special. The other nations' systems were inferior and allowed sin to abound and become normalized. (don't worry about the Talmudic Period segment and further, I didn't even read that shit.)) Sin therefore had to carry consequences beyond itself.
Israel was not unique, The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest law code, The Sumerians also had The Instructions to Shuruppak, instructions for the up coming flood. Hell I’d argue that most of the OT Bible, if not all, are copies of the Sumerians tablets, not to mention the Indian text Manusmriti which dates around 1000-500bce, Jews were not unique.
Are you saying that, because Yhwh gave the Jews laws, his psycopathic transgressions can be excused?
God was being the ultimate "tough love" dad to save His kids from obliterating themselves in sin. Not only would He allow the kids to get their ass beat, He'd beat them Himself. Not only would He not bail them out of jail, He'd drive them to the jail personally. God told them what would happen if they broke His laws, and they did so repeatedly; and it played out exactly as God said it would when they did.
“Tough Love Dad” , Kek. What would you call a father who would have his daughter raped for disobeying him, What would you call a father who would send his child into slavery for disobeying him, What would you call a father who would starve their child so severley that they would eat corpses for disobeying him….A Tough Love Dad? Really? I don’t think you are being intellectually honest. It seems to me you are normalizing Yhwh’s evilness. Rules for thee, but not for me…
The Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans, all instruments of God's strict punishment upon rebellious, idolatrous Israel.
Again having someone else do his dirty work. Did your father often have the neigborhood kids come over and kick your ass and steal your shit for punishment? What a horrible father if he didn’t, in your opinion.
Besides I thought we had free-will, free to chose Yhwh or not, free to worship golden calfs if we want. Obviously we don’t.
Jesus often spoke in metaphors …
John 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
This is not metaphor. I think this is a R.C.C. edit (the whole chapter). I don’t agree with your belief that Jesus wanted to “thin the herd”, that’s far reaching with no proof, when he could of just not invited them to Passover. He wouldn’t spend all that time preaching to aquire disciples only to scare them into leaving?
I understand what most people believe the Eurcharist is, I just don’t believe it, its a problem I have with the NT Jesus. I stand firm on this belief, the Eurcharist is wrong.
First, the commandment doesn't say 'kill' it says 'murder', which makes a distinction. Killing in the process of defending yourself, or during a war or conquest, is not the same thing as stabbing someone to death because they made you mad.
You a John Bolton fan? ;) I concede, you are correct that a muderer is the aggressor and a killer is a victim of agression. Generally an invading army are murderers and the people they are invading are killers. The Amalekites are the agressors, this does not explain the killing of the women and infants though, the infants were definitely not agressors they were completely innocent and I suspect neither were the women, they were both murdered. So I think it stands, Yhwh condoned murder. And you are condoning Yhwh’s transgressions.
Imagine if Sodom and Gomorrah was allowed to continue,
They did, They moved them to Washington D.C. and Hollywood.
Indeed look back through history and honestly tell me mankind as a whole hasn't matured from its initial barbaric and disgusting state, and I'll yield this entire arguement to you and call YHWH the devil!
New York City, Michigan, Chicago, L.A., San Fransico, Seattle, Portland. School Shootings, Riots, Lawfare, Cancle Culture, Trans. Surgeries For Children, Child Trafficking , Child Slavery, Covid Lock Downs, D/S Releasing A Genetic Engineered Virus, Madatory Vacines That Kill You, Allowing Fentanyl, Homelessness Run Rampant ect., ect. Are you seriously trying to tell me mankind has matured? You are either being intellectualy dishonest or you are asleep. Bad Argument. I do think with Trump back in office it’s getting better, we’ll see.
Im still waiting for documented proof that Yhwh is Jesus’ father.
Thanks, Appreciated.
This response is to your other post. I’m going to have them both here, with this response coming later.
You're well versed in how to use this site, I've been here since the Voat exodus, and just found out the other day you can tag someone, is there a link you can give me that lists all the bells and whistles or something?
which is also why my Month 3 Winning post didn’t get completed (yet)
I don't know what this means either??
Now there’s something I never caught before, nice one! That strikes me as someone laying out an early frame-job blackmail/discredit trap! Playbook known.
To be fair, its a naked young man (16-21yo) still. In Plato's "Phaedrus," Socrates uses the term "neaniskos" to refer to a young man who has reached the age of adolescence but is not yet considered an adult.
Or to normalize pedophilia along with John 6, to normalize cannibalism and their evil rituals. What was in that cup he wanted his father to take from him? [Mark 14:36]
Take your time in your replies, even if its a week or month, no hurry, I want the A game.
I don’t think I have energy for anything else, which is why it’s taken me days to get to this twice now
Does that mean you concede, Jesus never claims Yhwh as his Father by name, that there is no biblical evidence for Yhwh being Jesus’ Father? Say Uncle ;)
Where I was going with my poorly worded comment was that if you think the God of the OT (and NT) is evil, simply proving that Jesus claimed Him and was sent by Him won’t do anything to resolve the underlying issue, which is why you think He is evil.
To be clear, I think OT Yhwh is evil, and Is never named in the NT. I do not think Yhwh is Jesus’ father, Jesus is human and an enlighten being, a bringer of light, all humans are capable of good and evil.
Care to provide some examples?
I'm guessing you mean, examples where Jesus is evil?
This would become a very long discussion, but in the short, I have a problem with what Jesus says in John 6, the Eucharist is a cannibalistic, blood sacrifice.
I gotta wonder what Jesus was doing in the Garden of Gethsemane, getting arrested at 4am with a naked kid. [Mark 14:52] Screaming "Im not a Pirate" [Mark 14:48]
Honestly, those two examples I have to wonder how much of the NT has been altered to fit the R.C.C. needs. I haven't squared them yet.
See my reply, the one before this one. For the evils of Yhwh.
If I told you my name was Runs With Scissors, and it was always the name (not title) by which I identified myself, and the name by which everyone knew me, where is the deceit?
Why don’t use your real name on this board? I don’t use my real name because I want the aninimity, I don’t want to be doxxed, I don’t want people to look up my personal information or harrass me or my family or risk my employer being contacted for what I say or opinions I express. Seems to me, “If you were, are, and will be all existence” you wouldn’t need to worry about this type of thing. Makes me think he is a lesser God subject to higher Gods.
Where are examples of His being evil?
Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 1 Samuel 15:1-3, Numbers 31, Isaiah 13:16, Hosea 13:6, Jeremiah 19:9, Ezekial 5:10, Lamentations 2:21, ect.
Deuteronomy 28 chronicles a list of curses that God intends to punish Israel with should they fail to obey him including that; the women of Israel would be raped (Deut 28:30), that Israel's enemies would enslave them (Deut 28:48), that the nation would experience famine so severe that families would eat the corpses of their dead children (Deut 28:53), that the corpses of the Israel's people would be fed on by the birds (Deut 28:26),
"Those killed by the sword are better off than those who die of famine wracked with hunger, they waste away for lack of food from the field. With their own hands compassionate women have cooked their own children who became their food when my people were destroyed. The Lord has given full vent to his wrath; he has poured out his fierce anger." (Lamentations 4:9-11)
1 Samuel 15: 7-35 Saul does what Yhwh ordered, breaking Three of the Ten Commandments [Thou Shall Not Kill, Thou Shall Not Steal, Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbor’s Wife, His Slaves, His Animals, Or Anything Of Thy Neighbor] in the process. When Saul offers a burnt offering to Yhwh and brings Agag back ALIVE, Yhwh rejects him as King of Israel. Burnt Offerings to Yhwh is not mentioned in the Ten Commandments, Yet Leviticus 6:8-13 gives exact instructions on how to offer burnt offerings to Yhwh.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.
Dude is a Psycopath on the level of Charles Manson, turning his followers into murderers and theives.
There you go, God job, you are forgiven and we can reboot. I'm been guilty of the same situation. Let's move on.
First time I’ve ever been called orthodox…
If you call something Heresy, by definition it's unorthodox. Something I strive to be. May I ask what you consider yourself then? I study all myths and religions to form my beliefs, nothing is heresy to me.
And you have just received an apology on the internet.
My First One.
I'm guessing Winn guided you here? Our thread was getting out of hand, my last reply to him took me close to three hours. Im sure he had it and was being kind by passing it on to you, I don't know? Something we might want to be aware of and try to limit responses to as short as possible. I think its better to do a bunch of short responses rather than one long response. Do you agree?
Marcionism is a definite heresy...
Its originally a Gnostic concept, not Marcionism, Its arguable weather Marcion was a Gnostic or not. Marcion believed Jesus was not human, I do and so do the Gnostics. I lean toward Gnosticism.
I can't take anyone's argument seriously when they label something as heresy. Its a close minded. Orthodoxy believe that the Christian Faith and the Church are inseparable. It is impossible to know Christ, to share in the life of the Holy Trinity, or to be considered a Christian, apart from the Church. It is in the Church that the Christian Faith is proclaimed and maintained. I can't think of a better way to stifle free thought and control religious freedom than to subscribe to Orthodoxy and fear being called a Heretic, go use your Fear based rhetoric somewhere else. It carries no meaning for my scholarly pursuits. Your a sheep, being lead to slaughter by your shepherd. [Q Post #290/#998]
Moses also followed YHWH (“I Am, that I Am”)
So. He follows a god that is so deceitful he won't give us his real name? If you know a Demon's name you can control them and cast them out. [Mark:5-9-10]
Who, specifically was Jesus speaking to?
His Father. I could ask you the same question, because no where in the New Testament does it refer to Yhwh by name, unlike the Old Testament. All we know is he is speaking to his father.
Who were they?
See above.
How would Jesus have denounced his own house?
I take it you mean Why not How. I'll take House to mean the Jews in general and not Judah and to go against Yhwh and his laws. Mathew 12:9-14, John 8:1-11, Mark 7:19, ect, ect.
Whose character had they adopted? (They were already far from written Torah practice)
Can you clarify? I have no clue to what you're referring.
because in your current state, you would just trample it,
I'll take that you mean by my current state as awakened to the false teachings of the R.C.C. that high jacked Christianity and metastasized throughout all Christian based Churches and their doctrine. You are on a Q board you should know this, unless you are just here to preach fire and brimstone and virtue signal as I suspect. You should know that 10000000000000000000000000000000000000% of Churches are compromised through NGO's from this Q board.
And by trample you mean, I would totally crush your Orthodoxy arguments.
Honestly, this statement set the tone for my entire reply. Not very Christian of you. You Fraud. And on Easter none the less. Typical.
I will assert that I know with 100% certainty, and it is that Yeshua came in accordance with YHWH’s Will, which is good.
Prove it. 100% Bullshit if you can't prove it. I really don't care what you believe you lost all credibility with me as soon as you said Heresy. You are "Fire and Brimstone", preaching fear
If YHWH is false, Jesus is false, and Christianity is false
That's False.
You cannot remove the foundation and still have the building
Go back to the scriptures and re-examine your foundational principles and understandings.
How about NO!
How about we just let people believe what they want to, instead of force feeding them your regurgitated points of view. How about we admit that no one knows a 10000000000000000000000000% if God exists. How about we just have a friendly debate to find the holes in our own augments and respect other beliefs, but I think thats to much to ask from an Orthodox Christian who thinks he has a mission to proselytize and convert everyone into a free-thinkers nightmare.
I believe in most of Jesus' teachings, weather from the Bible or Gnostic texts, is that not enough for you, I need to agree with your Orthodoxy 100000000000000000%, you'd make a great democrat, why don't you go back and re-examine your foundational principles and understandings. The R.C.C. would love to have you become a democrat to complete your orthodoxy. Idiot.
Settle down there Outlaw.
That Biblical verse doesn't prove Yhwh was Jesus' father or that Yhwh wasn't evil.
It does prove he is deceitful though, not allowing us to know his true name.
This is FAKE.
Two black and white films edited together @ [0:16]
There are no "Star of David" Flags shown with Moloch.
There is no Moloch statue seen on the "pan out" [0:01].
Do Better.