Military does not topple the system but maintains it till a rightful POTUS either re-assumes the position or a True Legal Vote is set up and cast per the Insurrection Act.
Im with you there. Physical gold and silver have their value and the purchase of it puts a squeeze on the banks. But you cant eat it, you cant drink it or wipe your ass with it. I've focused on tradable goods as well.
Specifically something often overlooked, and might seem odd at first. Chickens, they are still traded globally today, and would have immense value in a SHTF scenario. Alcohol is a great idea as well, it has an indefinite shelf life, with inherent value and demand.
Alcohol is a GREAT thing to have, but keep it simple. Vodka, gin, whiskey, etc, not Kahlua. Ha. Good for medicinal use, barter, etc. Keeps forever.
Salt and sugar. Other spices, too, for cooking AND herbal remedies. Cayenne pepper stops bleeding cleanly and quickly.
Oil of oregano is super powerful anti-fingal, anti-viral (gets rid of warts) and anti-biotic. Other helpful oils: lavender (bug bites), clove (toothaches), peppermint and citronella (bug repellant). And lots more. Little bottles. Don't take up much space. Last a long time but not in sun/heat.
Silver I agree with. Precious metals are the only true form of currency and have been for all of known history up until 50 years ago when the Luciferians finally got rid of it completely from the general population, hording it for themselves.
Crypto I'm not so sure of. I can't say its bad for sure, but it has no inherent value. It is better than fiat to some extent. It does take real energy to "mine" so it takes resources away from the planet but it really doesn't add anything back.
In many cases it is a limited resource and can't just be printed whenever we want to add more to the economy, which means it can only increase in value over the long term (if we give it value at all). But in truth, its just something that has absolutely no tangible assets attached to it. In many cases it can also be used to track people, which may have been the reason it was introduced to begin with.
Crypto currency is made up virtual stuff, in my opinion. Crypto is mined by some guy solving the nonce puzzle? Are you kidding me? What is it backed by? Anything physical other than the paper it's printed on? Is it backed by some government? It's vaporware. The only thing that's potentially useful out of the whole crypto-currency bonanza is the blockchain ledger. I guess I understand where you're coming from, but not sure you want to be giving out "financial" advice. And I should state that I'm not financial adviser. Don't listen to me, do your own investigation.
Exactly. People need to understand that crypto currency is unusable when the power-grid is shutdown. Same for debit/credit cards, digital medias, etc. Be very cautious with technology. Remember : "Own nothing and be happy" is the great reset motto. One can own physical for practicality without being materialistic.
It’s not gonna happen dude ... that is so 2007 - 2010. Why is the grid going down again ?? The whole world is gonna go powerless for how long ? Because the plan ?? No ... there will be no blackout, worldwide or US-wide. They will lose too much money.
Problem is you can't get silver now, not in coin form. Every place is nearly out of PHYSICAL silver to send you, and silver on paper or "held in their vault" is just as bad as the almight dollar
I spread out. A little silver, a little crypto, and also some stocks. Precious metals is probably the best way to guarantee you have something of value, regardless of what happens to the economic system there is very few situations silver and gold won't have value.
I firmly believe, that in 1000 years, someone looking back will say:
In the beginning gold played a role, crypto was backed by it. But when more and more people reached enlightment, money lost all value, gold as well. The planet (i.e. it literally means flat) was hell, now it is healed, one garden next to the other.
We had to go step by step, even when we needed a thousand years.
However I think crypto gets found out with the rest of the financial system. It’s a good hedge, but keep the % low.
You didn’t mention gold. While it’s not the flavour of the month Q did point to it. If you still believe in Q, and I assume those here do (whether for or against, both believe) then Gold cannot be ignored.
Imagine if #silversqueeze plays out, as it currently looks like it will, then the next logical target is gold.
PS:- MUST be physical/ allocated to bring the PAIN.
The amount of ignorance portrayed in this thread towards crypto and what gives it its inherent value (ProTip: it's not nothing) is shockingly disappointing. I encourage all Patriots to read up on it and get yourself educated.
Crypto has no tie to tangible assets. Some, like bitcoin, are limited in production, which makes it better than fiat currencies, but that only has value if we give crypto (electrons on someone's computer) any value at all. Silver, Gold, Palladium, and Platinum have irreplaceable value in technology, jewelry, and they are just pretty in and of themselves. Precious metals have inherent value. Crypto does not.
If you would like to add to the conversation about what real value they have, please do. You are calling people ignorant and yet you have added absolutely zero knowledge to the conversation other than your feelings.
There's a lot more to it, but in simple terms, it's backed by the electricity, computation, and cryptography required to secure the networks and confirm the transactions. That is 100% tangible.
People are more than welcome to do their own research, it's not my job. But continuing to claim they have zero value and are backed by nothing, is beyond ignorant and dangerous to propagate.
Uselessness is relative. You find someone to take it or who can do transaction when most can't and maybe. Bring it to the wilderness where.i thrive, useless as nails driven up through the bottom of your shoe. You would trade me a fish for the ability to build a fire just one time when you are wet and frozen. Value must have context.
it's backed by the electricity, computation, and cryptography
A loss of energy from the planetary resources is NOT a tangible backing. It is a tangible loss. While I am not an expert in cryptocurrency, I'm not completely ignorant either. Gold, Silver, etc. are USEFUL all by themselves. They ADD to resources, they ARE resources. Crypto only subtracts from resources. As I stated above I know it takes energy and effort to mine them. I have looked into mining them myself.
Give me a tangible production of resources attached to it. I will look into it more if you do. For example, originally paper money was directly tied to silver. You could walk to anyplace and trade one for the other. It was tied directly to a tangible resource. What equivalent is there with crypto?
Not sure what to tell you, your mind is obviously made up. I don't know how to explain that trading resources back into computational work for the purpose of network security and transactional integrity is a form of value. Over a decade of time now prove this.
I'd suggest reading The Bitcoin Standard, I think it's only about $15. When attempting to define the characteristics that make a currency ‘functional’, Aristotle settled on five traits – fungibility, durability, portability, divisibility and intrinsic value. Crypto is the first currency in the history of civilization to check all boxes.
My mind is never made up, on anything. There are only increasing levels of proof required to change it, depending on my own level of knowledge/learning/research on a topic.
I don't know how to explain that trading resources back into computational work for the purpose of network security and transactional integrity is a form of value.
I will look into this.
When attempting to define the characteristics that make a currency ‘functional’, Aristotle settled on five traits – fungibility, durability, portability, divisibility and intrinsic value. Crypto is the first currency in the history of civilization to check all boxes.
If it does indeed have intrinsic value, I will agree with you. I will look more into what you have described above to see if that is real value (a real resource that has productivity uses outside of its use as a currency) or if it is only useful because someone says it is.
Silver and crypto are great calls—if you missed the run on physical silver, I’d recommend trying AG (silver mining) stock. Another interesting one with the least downside is DGLY—they make tactical gear both for civilians/cops. Spiked way up during the George Floyd riots, could swing anti-market again if the crash coincides with civil unrest.
Anyone think the reason why crypto is through the roof is due to DS needing ways of laundering shit? Since the rate at which crypto currency is created is limited, it'd explain the crazy prices.
I'm not saying crypto currency is a bad idea ... Quite the contrary ... I simply can't wrap my feeble brain around it's prices and the relatively short period of time it took for them to get there.
Crypto currency is useless when you can't access it. And what do you think will happen to th cryptos in the world when this system of fiat currency does collapse? That's all crypto is, another form of fiat currency.
At the end of the day, if you can't physically hold it, can't physically work to produce it, and can't physically access your holdings, you absolutely have nothing of any real, intrinsic value.
The furniture, knives, skills, knowledge, food, and other services I produce and can provide NOW, AND when this all goes down, ensures my family's survival when this whole putrid system goes belly up.
Depending on the blockchain and token. Cryptocurrency as a blanket term cannot be described as a singular thing like "fiat currency". Sure, some tokens have the same indicators as fiat currency. Something like Ether on the Ethereum blockchain is quite different than the most popular Bitcoin on the vanilla blockchain. Smart Contracts vs. Store of Value. Different tokens have different purposes to fulfill.
The most important thing about cryptocurrency is that there is no central system that runs it. You and I could get our computers connected and trade cryptocurrency using an ethernet cable. It's just cryptographically secured and recorded numbers. The internet is irrelevant.
I can buy that argument, it’s actually great. 100% in my lifetime ?? Full USofA grid down ? Say in next 30 years ? Not so sure ... and if we wised up could we prevent it ?
honestly that's an issue that a lot of crypto industries are already looking into, developing an internet of things style blockchain system for cryptos. I don't know which crypto is actively doing that at this time but it is a possibility that is discussed.
There absolutely are solutions, and there are people actively seeking them out. Gridloss is a mass concern, and governments and wealth are not the only individuals seeking to solve those solutions. M certainly not a master on the topic, but if I was reading about innovations for this problem in 2017, I can't imagine they've given up.
I don't believe you understand how cryptocurrency works. It doesn't "exist" anywhere. It is cryptographically secured and recorded numbers. Anyone with a copy of the blockchain ledger can facilitate transactions.. without the internet. Value is derived from what people value things at. People just happen to bargain for cryptocurrency with their traditional fiat currency.
Absolutely not dooming. This is called preparedness. As someone who was incident command for emergency management for years, having a plan for anything and everything to keep your family safe is absolutely essential. When shit hits the fan, if you don’t have a plan and supplies you won’t do well. My family has plans in place for tornadoes. Cold weather. Evacuation needs. Our house for instance is where family members would mobilize. Since our location is easy to get to safer areas with less population around. In which case we make sure we have necessary supplies like medical aid, food, water, appropriate clothing...ect. It’s not dooming. It’s being intelligent and prepared for anything.
If the power went out in the dead of winter for say a couple of months. Most of the country would die in the first couple weeks. No plan, stores would be raided on day 1, gas stations out on day 2, generators would start to go down, those with no food will drop quickly.
People dont realize how fragile this all is. I couldnt imagine not having a plan with some back up materials.
If the power went out in the dead of winter for say a couple of months. Most of the country would die in the first couple weeks.
That's why I always called BS on those who insisted that "10 days darkness" meant they'd shut down the power grid. Why would Q do that in winter and risk a huge amount of the population freezing to death? It more likely meant communications blackout (in which case your crypto is also worthless) or more of a spiritual dark-night-of-the-soul spread over 10 days.
Yeah absolutely agree, communication blackout probably. Like we are seeing around the world, internet going down for a while, etc.
10 days of no power would be absolutely catastrophic. Power outages are so common that people would wait for it to come back on, running generators. Once those generators ran out of gas, gas stations empty, panic would set in. With stations empty you wouldnt even be able to flee. A lot of people would die.
We just finished an entire week of -30* temps. It would have been a complete disaster.
I'm with you, even myb4 adult children all went on to get specialized training for surviving shtf. They were raised to survive in a desert. They know what to eat, how to live, find where, shelter and food. Tjey have specops background, medical, aviation and tech. We have active planning meetings monthly during this. A whole plan including g all the inlaws Nd extended family.
Military does not topple the system but maintains it till a rightful POTUS either re-assumes the position or a True Legal Vote is set up and cast per the Insurrection Act.
BUY LAND
Land, and tools to work it. Learn primitive skilks...bushcraft etc.
IMPOSSIBLE TO OWN LAND, you mean, rent out some land from Rofschild.
My Father has cattle on a thousand hills.
And if he stops paying property taxes?
Nice. Address?? (Will share Big Berkey for grass fed beef!)
Based post
Federal Reserve Notes will be worth exactly ZIP.
Im with you there. Physical gold and silver have their value and the purchase of it puts a squeeze on the banks. But you cant eat it, you cant drink it or wipe your ass with it. I've focused on tradable goods as well.
Specifically something often overlooked, and might seem odd at first. Chickens, they are still traded globally today, and would have immense value in a SHTF scenario. Alcohol is a great idea as well, it has an indefinite shelf life, with inherent value and demand.
Alcohol is a GREAT thing to have, but keep it simple. Vodka, gin, whiskey, etc, not Kahlua. Ha. Good for medicinal use, barter, etc. Keeps forever.
Salt and sugar. Other spices, too, for cooking AND herbal remedies. Cayenne pepper stops bleeding cleanly and quickly.
Oil of oregano is super powerful anti-fingal, anti-viral (gets rid of warts) and anti-biotic. Other helpful oils: lavender (bug bites), clove (toothaches), peppermint and citronella (bug repellant). And lots more. Little bottles. Don't take up much space. Last a long time but not in sun/heat.
Great info right there. Stuff that keeps forever with multiple uses and values.
I invested in skills. I can make me some good whiskey.
But they'll still work as kindling.
They'll be convertible for us. Not for deep starters. Plus with banks broken who do you owe??
Silver I agree with. Precious metals are the only true form of currency and have been for all of known history up until 50 years ago when the Luciferians finally got rid of it completely from the general population, hording it for themselves.
Crypto I'm not so sure of. I can't say its bad for sure, but it has no inherent value. It is better than fiat to some extent. It does take real energy to "mine" so it takes resources away from the planet but it really doesn't add anything back.
In many cases it is a limited resource and can't just be printed whenever we want to add more to the economy, which means it can only increase in value over the long term (if we give it value at all). But in truth, its just something that has absolutely no tangible assets attached to it. In many cases it can also be used to track people, which may have been the reason it was introduced to begin with.
I'm with you. Hard assets. No crypto
Agree. Crypto? It's not worth the paper it's printed on.
Crypto currency is made up virtual stuff, in my opinion. Crypto is mined by some guy solving the nonce puzzle? Are you kidding me? What is it backed by? Anything physical other than the paper it's printed on? Is it backed by some government? It's vaporware. The only thing that's potentially useful out of the whole crypto-currency bonanza is the blockchain ledger. I guess I understand where you're coming from, but not sure you want to be giving out "financial" advice. And I should state that I'm not financial adviser. Don't listen to me, do your own investigation.
Exactly. People need to understand that crypto currency is unusable when the power-grid is shutdown. Same for debit/credit cards, digital medias, etc. Be very cautious with technology. Remember : "Own nothing and be happy" is the great reset motto. One can own physical for practicality without being materialistic.
It’s not gonna happen dude ... that is so 2007 - 2010. Why is the grid going down again ?? The whole world is gonna go powerless for how long ? Because the plan ?? No ... there will be no blackout, worldwide or US-wide. They will lose too much money.
Problem is you can't get silver now, not in coin form. Every place is nearly out of PHYSICAL silver to send you, and silver on paper or "held in their vault" is just as bad as the almight dollar
Everything is about 2 weeks out. Order now and it may be about 3 weeks till its at your door.
Bought silver at 12 N ounce about 10 years ago. Gold at 1200.
I spread out. A little silver, a little crypto, and also some stocks. Precious metals is probably the best way to guarantee you have something of value, regardless of what happens to the economic system there is very few situations silver and gold won't have value.
Cryptos are going to have value after all this. Maybe you hold it a few years. Eventually it's going to be important for you.
Spot on. Did this in 2008 when Obama got elected.
System will likely topple, not completely, likely not from the military, and likely to happen soon.
Likely, likely, likely, not date fagging.
I firmly believe, that in 1000 years, someone looking back will say: In the beginning gold played a role, crypto was backed by it. But when more and more people reached enlightment, money lost all value, gold as well. The planet (i.e. it literally means flat) was hell, now it is healed, one garden next to the other. We had to go step by step, even when we needed a thousand years.
Check check check
However I think crypto gets found out with the rest of the financial system. It’s a good hedge, but keep the % low.
You didn’t mention gold. While it’s not the flavour of the month Q did point to it. If you still believe in Q, and I assume those here do (whether for or against, both believe) then Gold cannot be ignored.
Imagine if #silversqueeze plays out, as it currently looks like it will, then the next logical target is gold.
PS:- MUST be physical/ allocated to bring the PAIN.
My motto:
Prepare for the worst. Then chill out and hope for the best!!
The amount of ignorance portrayed in this thread towards crypto and what gives it its inherent value (ProTip: it's not nothing) is shockingly disappointing. I encourage all Patriots to read up on it and get yourself educated.
Crypto has no tie to tangible assets. Some, like bitcoin, are limited in production, which makes it better than fiat currencies, but that only has value if we give crypto (electrons on someone's computer) any value at all. Silver, Gold, Palladium, and Platinum have irreplaceable value in technology, jewelry, and they are just pretty in and of themselves. Precious metals have inherent value. Crypto does not.
If you would like to add to the conversation about what real value they have, please do. You are calling people ignorant and yet you have added absolutely zero knowledge to the conversation other than your feelings.
There's a lot more to it, but in simple terms, it's backed by the electricity, computation, and cryptography required to secure the networks and confirm the transactions. That is 100% tangible.
People are more than welcome to do their own research, it's not my job. But continuing to claim they have zero value and are backed by nothing, is beyond ignorant and dangerous to propagate.
Uselessness is relative. You find someone to take it or who can do transaction when most can't and maybe. Bring it to the wilderness where.i thrive, useless as nails driven up through the bottom of your shoe. You would trade me a fish for the ability to build a fire just one time when you are wet and frozen. Value must have context.
A loss of energy from the planetary resources is NOT a tangible backing. It is a tangible loss. While I am not an expert in cryptocurrency, I'm not completely ignorant either. Gold, Silver, etc. are USEFUL all by themselves. They ADD to resources, they ARE resources. Crypto only subtracts from resources. As I stated above I know it takes energy and effort to mine them. I have looked into mining them myself.
Give me a tangible production of resources attached to it. I will look into it more if you do. For example, originally paper money was directly tied to silver. You could walk to anyplace and trade one for the other. It was tied directly to a tangible resource. What equivalent is there with crypto?
Not sure what to tell you, your mind is obviously made up. I don't know how to explain that trading resources back into computational work for the purpose of network security and transactional integrity is a form of value. Over a decade of time now prove this.
I'd suggest reading The Bitcoin Standard, I think it's only about $15. When attempting to define the characteristics that make a currency ‘functional’, Aristotle settled on five traits – fungibility, durability, portability, divisibility and intrinsic value. Crypto is the first currency in the history of civilization to check all boxes.
My mind is never made up, on anything. There are only increasing levels of proof required to change it, depending on my own level of knowledge/learning/research on a topic.
I will look into this.
If it does indeed have intrinsic value, I will agree with you. I will look more into what you have described above to see if that is real value (a real resource that has productivity uses outside of its use as a currency) or if it is only useful because someone says it is.
Silver and crypto are great calls—if you missed the run on physical silver, I’d recommend trying AG (silver mining) stock. Another interesting one with the least downside is DGLY—they make tactical gear both for civilians/cops. Spiked way up during the George Floyd riots, could swing anti-market again if the crash coincides with civil unrest.
Anyone think the reason why crypto is through the roof is due to DS needing ways of laundering shit? Since the rate at which crypto currency is created is limited, it'd explain the crazy prices.
I'm not saying crypto currency is a bad idea ... Quite the contrary ... I simply can't wrap my feeble brain around it's prices and the relatively short period of time it took for them to get there.
Crypto currency is useless when you can't access it. And what do you think will happen to th cryptos in the world when this system of fiat currency does collapse? That's all crypto is, another form of fiat currency.
At the end of the day, if you can't physically hold it, can't physically work to produce it, and can't physically access your holdings, you absolutely have nothing of any real, intrinsic value.
The furniture, knives, skills, knowledge, food, and other services I produce and can provide NOW, AND when this all goes down, ensures my family's survival when this whole putrid system goes belly up.
Depending on the blockchain and token. Cryptocurrency as a blanket term cannot be described as a singular thing like "fiat currency". Sure, some tokens have the same indicators as fiat currency. Something like Ether on the Ethereum blockchain is quite different than the most popular Bitcoin on the vanilla blockchain. Smart Contracts vs. Store of Value. Different tokens have different purposes to fulfill.
The most important thing about cryptocurrency is that there is no central system that runs it. You and I could get our computers connected and trade cryptocurrency using an ethernet cable. It's just cryptographically secured and recorded numbers. The internet is irrelevant.
Since you get it, what are the chances of a full grid down event ?? I’ll put odds right next to zero. Too much money being lost ...
I can buy that argument, it’s actually great. 100% in my lifetime ?? Full USofA grid down ? Say in next 30 years ? Not so sure ... and if we wised up could we prevent it ?
This.
Not a chance
Lol no.
honestly that's an issue that a lot of crypto industries are already looking into, developing an internet of things style blockchain system for cryptos. I don't know which crypto is actively doing that at this time but it is a possibility that is discussed.
There absolutely are solutions, and there are people actively seeking them out. Gridloss is a mass concern, and governments and wealth are not the only individuals seeking to solve those solutions. M certainly not a master on the topic, but if I was reading about innovations for this problem in 2017, I can't imagine they've given up.
This has nothing to do with what we're discussing.
I don't believe you understand how cryptocurrency works. It doesn't "exist" anywhere. It is cryptographically secured and recorded numbers. Anyone with a copy of the blockchain ledger can facilitate transactions.. without the internet. Value is derived from what people value things at. People just happen to bargain for cryptocurrency with their traditional fiat currency.
Prepper as well. Not big on PMs but I have some. Lots of cash. Lots of beans and bullets too.
crash of 08 when i started too; right after satan took my pension and flew it to iran.
Yup, if we really end up in Mad Max gold won't be worth much when someone is pointing their gun in your face to take your food stockpile.
Absolutely not dooming. This is called preparedness. As someone who was incident command for emergency management for years, having a plan for anything and everything to keep your family safe is absolutely essential. When shit hits the fan, if you don’t have a plan and supplies you won’t do well. My family has plans in place for tornadoes. Cold weather. Evacuation needs. Our house for instance is where family members would mobilize. Since our location is easy to get to safer areas with less population around. In which case we make sure we have necessary supplies like medical aid, food, water, appropriate clothing...ect. It’s not dooming. It’s being intelligent and prepared for anything.
If the power went out in the dead of winter for say a couple of months. Most of the country would die in the first couple weeks. No plan, stores would be raided on day 1, gas stations out on day 2, generators would start to go down, those with no food will drop quickly.
People dont realize how fragile this all is. I couldnt imagine not having a plan with some back up materials.
That's why I always called BS on those who insisted that "10 days darkness" meant they'd shut down the power grid. Why would Q do that in winter and risk a huge amount of the population freezing to death? It more likely meant communications blackout (in which case your crypto is also worthless) or more of a spiritual dark-night-of-the-soul spread over 10 days.
Yeah absolutely agree, communication blackout probably. Like we are seeing around the world, internet going down for a while, etc.
10 days of no power would be absolutely catastrophic. Power outages are so common that people would wait for it to come back on, running generators. Once those generators ran out of gas, gas stations empty, panic would set in. With stations empty you wouldnt even be able to flee. A lot of people would die.
We just finished an entire week of -30* temps. It would have been a complete disaster.
I'm with you, even myb4 adult children all went on to get specialized training for surviving shtf. They were raised to survive in a desert. They know what to eat, how to live, find where, shelter and food. Tjey have specops background, medical, aviation and tech. We have active planning meetings monthly during this. A whole plan including g all the inlaws Nd extended family.
To each their own ??♀️
I agree on the silver for sure Maga. I’m just saying other preparedness is necessary as well. For sure.
You notice that all of your responses are getting downvoted? Most people take that as a clue.