>>>I posted the following image. Nothing big, I just thought it was an interesting coincidence.
https://greatawakening.win/p/12hkmYYxg8/photos-from-george-news-from-the/
>>>In response to my post, another user made the following argument, echoing the feelings of former mod Evspra and the anti-GN crowd:
[User A]
Nice try.
Still not trusting GN.
Stock image source:
>>>That's a good point. Is Alamy the originator? I don't think so. Here's my reasoning:
EchoLight
Eh, I doubt that Alamy is the originator. They license their photos from other entities.
I'll one up you by "shooting myself in the foot":
Trump White House Archived
https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse45/
#2 https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse45/49649253478/
#3 https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse45/49649546612/
#4 https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse45/49651862436/
#5 https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse45/49651324448/
The only image that does not exist on the WH45 archive is #1.
George News has linked specifically to the WH45 archive in some of their chat lines (I don't remember which but that's how I know about this Flickr). The Flickr archive lists as many details about the photo as necessary, including the photographer of each shot. No paytriot would ever divulge the source of their material so easily.
So here's my take on it. My guess is that the operator (individual or group) for this Flickr archive is the same operator behind George News. Now, you could say that GN operates the Flickr to pull wool over our eyes, and scalps all their images from sites like Alamy. But, if there were any copyright violations or licensing issues, the Flickr would have been taken down already, because Flickr is ruthless when it comes to licensing. The archive has 14,995 photos, and remains accessible since Trump took office in 2016. So we can be certain that the Flickr operator is legit.
Now, where does #1 come from? Well, perhaps the Flickr operator is also the licensor of #1, and they licensed it to Alamy and other image distribution services. If they were the licensor of #1, then it stands to reason that they could also be the licensor of #2, #3, #4 and #5.
Then if the WH45 operator is the same as the GN operator, then it would make sense that the GN operator is also the licensor of #1-#5, and that's why they could post it so freely on their Telegram.
The problem is that there's no direct evidence of a connection between GN and WH45. The only thing that I have to support that is that the GN operator has linked to WH45 without hesitation, has access to emails available only to WH staff, has access to a Zoom meeting exclusive to credentialed press (see above, and also here), and has posted all 5 photos of which only 4 are freely accessible on Flickr. In the absence of this evidence, logic provides at least two possibilities that satisfies this connection:
GN is a total and clever and smooth-talking fraud that is willing to pay good money to buy photos, goods and other materials to pretend to be legit and pull wool over our eyes, has insider access to WH comms (thus is able to compromise WH network security and is able to circumvent intelligence services, and is broadcasting it to the world just to prove that they can), and is willing to divulge at least one good source of material who is actually legit. GN and the licensor are one and the same, and thus has WH-level access to all of this content and comms. I lean toward the 2nd possibility, because it's strangely difficult to maintain a facade that's so convoluted for so long.
But I suppose you'd be distrusting of George for their use of paper.li and trackers. Well, in that case, you'd have to distrust anyone who uses wordpress or other Content Management Systems, because that's what it is, a platform and framework to manage content. Trackers come almost standard especially if you want to include devices for transactions or anything that relies on location services. If your primary concern is to manage content, as it is in GN's case, then you probably don't want or have time and energy to understand the source code of your features (I mean who here wants to look into the .win site code just to see if it's good to use?). Just because you're WH media doesn't mean you have the technical skills of an IT specialist. In that case, our investigations into paper.li don't really mean anything.
Well then, what about the DVIDS? DVIDS is just like Alamy and Flickr, they distrubute content for other publishers and content creators to use, in this case DOD Visual Information. If GN as the WH45 photo licensor has privileged access to the WH, then it stands to reason that they have privileged access to DOD materials.
And what about merch and donations? Well, a paytriot would certainly keep that open, that's their income stream. But if they were the legitimate licensor of this content, then it's possible that they want to protect their audience from being conned by people who would accept donations and sell merch and make a profit "on their behalf". You can't stop people giving money to causes they want to support, so "Donors gonna donate and buyers gonna buy." By accepting donations and selling merch, they are preventing those contributions from going into the wrong hands and are cornering their segment of the donation market.
All in all, I have confidence and total faith that George News is trustworthy.
>>>While I was typing my response, they appended the following edit:
[User A]
...
Storms Media Group owns the rights to the photos:
https://www.stormsmediagroup.com/about/index
Boom.
>>>Well that's a good point, and a blindside since I was responding to the incomplete comment only.
EchoLight
However my point still stands. I am not sure about Storms Media Group, but they seem to be more of a licensee of these photos than a licensor. I'd say that are like a subsidiary or partner of Alamy.
>>>I need to look into the licensing a bit more. Do Storm Media Group actually own this stuff? But then I found out that it's public domain.
EchoLight
I looked further into it, and realised that the images are public domain.
This means that they are basically free to use so even Alamy and Storms Media Group can just scalp it and make a profit off of it.
These aren't the only images that George News posted on their Telegram. They also posted these two with the hashtag "#TINEYE":
https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse45/49659515292/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse45/49659243711/in/photostream/
Telegram: https://t.me/georgenews/1041
These are also public domain images. They are also both present on Alamy here, which I found via google search. I will only focus on the angled shot, which is provided by two sources: One of these is by a different provider, "2020 Images"
Storm Media Group:
2020 Images:
"Storm Media Group" only gives this for licensing info:
This image could have imperfections as it’s either historical or reportage.
"2020 Images", however, acknowledges that they are public domain, and gives this for licensing info:
More information: This image is a public domain image, which means either that copyright has expired in the image or the copyright holder has waived their copyright. Alamy charges you a fee for access to the high resolution copy of the image.
This image could have imperfections as it’s either historical or reportage.
Between GN scalping and Storm Media Group (and Alamy) scalping, I'm more convinced that Storm Media Group is the more likely to scalp.
I won't say boom as you did. I can't claim to have the correct answer because my knowledge is still incomplete as is yours, and therefore I can't be certain that GN is legit, but only confident.
Now you're probably sick to death of all this George Nonsense. For that I give you this exchange that I had elsewhere:
[User B]
The thing I still don't get is that GN never made any claims to "debunk." So I'm not sure the rationale behind going after them so hard and then banning them unilaterally. The whole thing stunk of a ds psy-op to divide and conquer one of the last mb's that hasn't been infilitrated.
I really started to think this when there were so many threads about it shilling for her. And then the sycphantic deification of Evspra is so over the top it kind of make me think I'm right.
Then she ragequit even after the narrative was in her favor. Just bizarre.
EchoLight:
It really was bizarre and it was a scorched earth attack against George News, psy-op or not.
And I don't think it really had to be this way. Like GN isn't even essential, they're like a free DLC or expansion pack to Q for anyone interested, with paid micro-transactions if you want merch or donations if you "want to support the devs". You don't have to look at George if you don't want to, they just give good vibes and hopium and maybe a few insights into existing Q drops here and there, and they post good videos and pics that we'd otherwise would've never found for ourselves because we don't go looking for them. And since I liked what I saw, I got the expansion pack.
In the whole scheme of things, George News are not that important. I follow them because I think they're trustworthy, and they've got something interesting to share.
But as I once told Evspra just as he begun his crusade against George News, "I will not forgive being told to distrust someone based on incorrect assumptions." I believe, unfortunately, that everything that Evspra posted against George news is based on incorrect assumptions, even if it seemed that he was vindicated by the paper.li fire. The Telegram chat ban for asking about DVIDS was probably more due to a lack of tact than actual alarm of being found out. And the paper.li and source code? Ask people who run sites on Content Management Services like WordPress if they know what trackers are being used. If they can't tell you much about how their much needed donation button tracks you via Google or some tech shit, they sure as hell won't know how to build their own website from scratch, and WH media staff aren't all that IT savvy but they sure take some good photos.
Through his actions, Evpsra ruined the general mood and research momentum of the board by unilaterally banning GN and transforming GAW into an anti-George hive mind, "for our own good". This is not what I came here for. I came here to freely post information that I found interesting, not to be commanded to hate something just because someone else told them to. That's what the Deep State did to our GEOTUS. But all of us here, and I mean all of us, are here because we saw beyond the veil of lies and resisted the command to hate, and discovered just be listening to everything he said that Trump is actually our Champion, of both the United States and the Free World.
If it turns out that George News is taint without a doubt, then I will apologise and maybe leave in disgrace. But after everything they have posted, and after all of their encouragement, and by my own reasoning and analyses, I have confidence that they are who they say they are, and so I have complete faith in them.
Thus with my freedom to speak, I will continue to post about George News as I see fit.
Thank you for your perspective, Ness, and thanks for the work that you and the team do for our community.
It should not die down. If it does dies down, that means you're no longer over the target.
Shillpacks are the absolute death of any discussion forum, particularly one involving important issues, and it's been that way since the DNC deluged Usenet in the 90s. When the topics under discussion involve crimes against humanity and the theft of trillions, then there WILL be shillpacks. It costs an agency almost nothing to hire thousands of people to pour out over the internet to bury everything under twenty miles of vapid, distracting BS.
GEORGEnews, if it were fake, would not be the target of such coordinated wolfpack action here on the boards -- that is reserved for the worst threats, and is a last-ditch effort "burning" all assets.
"In the whole scheme of things, George News are not that important. I follow them because I think they're trustworthy, and they've got something interesting to share."
If GN suddenly starts posting 3yo seen-nowhere-else footage from Trump itinerary, it means that they've been embedded from or almost from the bigging, and are presenting themselves as an obvious potential major DECLAS spigot in the weeks and months ahead -- especially as implied by the youtube holding-pattern "Battle Hymn of the Republic" placeholder streams. Streams that Youtube and Google curiously don't seem to be doing anything about (this fact touted as one piece of evidence against George, overlooking that patriots are supposed to be in control, and that we're watching a movie).
In short, George is very important, which is why the DS just burned its buried-deep assets trying to besmirch it.
Has anyone from Team Trump recognized George as a trusted source?
They're being unofficially recognized by Team Trump's conspicuously not including them in the list of entities it dismisses as "fake news" -- something they've never been shy about.
That's interesting, I didn't know it existed. Could you point me towards that list?
It's easier to keep track of who's not on it.
im a never georger
Yeah, you didn't even bother reading the post anyway. You just wanted to be first.
I posted all this at 17:07:38 GMT. You posted your comment at 17:09:25 GMT. Assuming there was a time lag of about 20 seconds between my posting and you spotting and actually opening the post, you could not have read all of this carefully in under 100 seconds.
Imagine being this upset over people believing in GN.
It was the fishiest thing I've seen in a long while.
Be illogical.
yea, we know. you say that on every george news post
You wrote all this text...
Fuck George news. Ya'all bastards drove evspra away.
He couldn't take our challenges to what we was doing. He dished out the criticism but couldn't take it when he received it.
And to me he began to stink of hypocrisy. He made assumptions about what we thought, insulted those who disagreed with him such that he told one user that they were deep throating George, answered in childish language, and when I deported him for disrupting a thread by those same insults he reacted very poorly. The unilateral GN links ban and the hive-mind response to George that he whipped up was the red line that he crossed as mod.
I had respect for him too, particularly with how he implemented the auto bot and gifs and emojis and earlier on, when he was more reasonable, responded swiftly to a suspicious user that I deported. But he didn't like me for "complaining" about the emojis, which I was asking how to make them static because they were genuinely giving me motion sickness, and marked me for a GN shill.
My respect for him was lost because he let all his authority as mod and site dev inflate his ego. Not realising the weight of the authority he commanded, he began decreeing his opinions as absolute truth and swinging his ban hammer in a manner which no mod should behave. As a result, he was removed from the mod list, and hence he left.
Evspra, I thought you weren't coming back?
And well, that's funny, because a mod told me you were removed. Maybe he removed you after you left though, which is probably the correct order.
But you also demanded something far more unreasonable from that same mod: hand GAW over to you. So unless I was talking to a liar or an imposter, I'm inclined to think that's the truth.
Sorry u/catsfive, but I'm revealing my correspondence with you here regarding Evspra:
https://i.maga.host/Lfvl5D9.png
Hmm? That's evidence against your case.
What the hell Evs, what's your problem? You start attacking everyone, catsfive included, projecting your own insecurities upon someone who genuinely needed to go to a doctor. This shows nothing more than your own hypocrisy and psychological degeneration.
You're reminding me of a lady who, in a bipolar episode, attacked everyone she loved at the place she worked. You seriously need help, kid.
that makes you sound like youve stopped taking your meds.
Optics, shh
There's clearly some conflict in the information that this mod, sorry c5, is sharing between you and me. Who of the three of us (or 4, if you include u/MikeWho) is lying?
to be clear, i never made the claim that a mod told me EvSpra was fired.
i had shared some screenshots of Evspras behaviour with some of the mods. these screenshots included his comments, my own comments and the two separate ban notices from Evspra.
i was online when my ban was removed, i was reading the Evspra temper tantrum post when i got the notification. at the same time as the ban being lifted, i had received a message from a mod that only contained a screenshot of Evspra's deleted account.
based on everything that happened real-time, i naturally came to the conclusion that Evspras position as a moderator had been terminated. this thread has seemed to confirmed these suspicions
Can confirm. What are people even trying to figure out? Ev removed himself, not me. Operation is closed, anyway
You’re being an idiot.
evspra ran away like a coward after acting like a child tyrant
I didn't read a word of that. Updoot because your fingers probably hurt. I'm opposed to all censorship (unless it's obvious stupidity or inflammatory shit).
I didn’t mind Evspra’s proof-text, and found some of it compelling (and some of it not). Those posts didn’t bother me half as much as *other * people saying things like “Evspra made it clear, it’s obvious, only a fool would trust GN now.” That kind of attitude is rotten, and exactly what this OP describes as exactly what mainstream society does,
I never trust anything from telegram so I've never seen anything from George. That is quite the wall of text though. Maybe George should get it's own .win.
FFS these desperate GN shills just prove Evspra was right. He was directly over the target apparently.
Yup. Definitely took notice.
Me too.
(Hey....)
well done brother.
Yeah! What he said!
I’ve been matching their picture times with Q trips.
Test 1 Test 2
GeorgeNews is legit. The sub is missing all these details. Mods are not actually gods, folks.
Chiggering itself into the administrative positions is one of the most important tasks of any agency initiative to shut down a site surreptitiously (i.e., as opposed to more overt methods).
E.g., look at Wikipedia.
I find the idea of someone telling me how or what to think utterly repugnant. I despise censorship in any form and feel that all free thinking humans can make their own choices. It is our duty.
I still don't see the harm in GeorgeNews and at the same time I fully respect someone choosing to not follow them. Bring on the downvotes.
I agree. The censorship was the red line.
The downvotes are evidence of how censorship has created this hivemind, and how Evspra was deified as no mod should ever be.
It wasn't a hive-mind; it was a shill-pack.
Evspra acted like a bitch, though. Their decision to ban George links is the result of Evs being banned from George's telegram.