So why wouldn't NIST release it's technical findings in full connected to building 7? Instead they locked the main report away, citing "muh secret"!
Engineering and architecture is not my forte, however if you want to run through the aviation aspects with me then great.
How did you get to the towers were designed to take a hit from a 707 @ 150mph "with little fuel"? Btw at 150 mph a 707 would be doing about 130kts KIAS assuming zero windspeed, which is bizarre as its V1 speed is, assuming sea level, 154KIAS so at 130KIAS it wouldn't even be flying? The aircraft were never full of fuel either, an airline company and Captain never over-fuels the aircraft, the calculation is done based on the journey, a diversion airfield, and a safety margin? The aircraft that day that hit the towers had approx 10,000 gallons onboard at the start from a total capacity of just short of 24,000 gallons so your assumption that they were "full" is totally incorrect. No airline flies with more fuel than needed for each specific flight.
Allowing for the fuel burnt in flight out of that 10,000 gallons, take it that half the fuel was consumed in the initial fireball we all saw with our own eyes, then roughly 3000 gallons was left to do what you say happened? 3000 gallons perhaps 3500 gallons? Spread throughout a building that size by the time any reached the bottom floors would be zero?
There's a very complex set of equations until we get to the temperature that the Jet A fuel would have burned at, but the short answer is about 260' c The first critical temperature where steel looses about half its strength is at 600'c (when the media quote the temperature as high as 1500'c they are lying, it would be impossible) Jet A and A1 is not some magic Hollywood fuel that detonates when a bullet hits it) I've got a quote here from a study on steel buildings and will include it.
"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."
I hope you don't have a woodburner or open fire to heat your home, be careful because every time you light a fire it might melt!
Allowing for the fuel burnt in flight out of that 10,000 gallons, take it that half the fuel was consumed in the initial fireball we all saw with our own eyes, then roughly 3000 gallons was left to do what you say happened? 3000 gallons perhaps 3500 gallons? Spread throughout a building that size by the time any reached the bottom floors would be zero?
Yes, because the buildings were literally completely empty and there was absolutely nothing else present to catch on fire other than the jet fuel.
The architects of the tower thought of current (at the time 70s) 707s coming in from a cross country flight in foggy conditions-citing the bomber that crashed into the Empire State building-at prep for landing speeds.
The fuel sparked fires on several levels of what are one acre floors full of highly combustible office furniture and decorations, punching through ventilation systems and stairwells-thus my idea of the Bessemer Effect-air had to be howling upwards toward the opened floors and heating up the steel joists to the softening phase and the structural integrities of the external steel framing were compromised by the actual punctures. That they held out long enough for many to escape can be considered a tribute to the designers. The floors above the entry points became a pile driver to the floors below and roughly 10 acre feet of air (10 foot high X 1 acre) was expelled in a microsecond, thus looking like explosions.
These thoughts are the result of years of arguing with muh government is evil adherents on FB-I refer you to a video on youtube of an F-4 catapulted by rocket sled into a block of concrete to mimic a collision of a plane into a nuke reactor. The results are astonishing.. This I used against the where the planes?? crowd-always with outraged results. I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful response!!
But you answer no actual comments with facts. Like I said the towers were not designed to stop an airliner at 150 mph (130KIAS) because it wouldn't be flying that slow!
You answer none of the questions surrounding the amount of fuel your stating was onboard, "Full" was your statement, incorrect is the truth and about about 6000 gallons by the time the aircraft arrived at the towers.
You don't mention the specific actual temperatures that Jet A or A1 burns at, instead fill each and every office with stuff that is flammable. Do you have any idea what say a large bird will do to the nose of a airliner? Do you understand how fragile aluminium is, at any speed?
So given your theory then of these infamous pancaking floors, what was holding up all of the towers before they fell, surely the first floor couldn't hold the weight of the other 47 above them, I mean it fell at free fall speed meaning there was zero resistance between floors so what was keeping it standing up?
Have you ever seen pictures of the airliner that crashed into a high rise block of flats in Amsterdam? Well guess what, the whole building never collapsed, the masonry did and there was carnage but nothing like the THREE buildings that collapsed on 9 11.
Anyway, please explain how at 32,000' and around various heights how did those onboard make cell phone calls to loved ones? No the aircraft at the time were not fitted with "Satellite phones" in the seats? The aircraft were travelling around 450KIAS at 32,000' (do you have any idea of how fast a groundspeed that is) and just to help, back then your average cell phone would loose signal around 4000' - 8000' feet, but that's not the answer! Good luck.
Out of respect for the thousands that died that day and the thousands that have continued to die from toxins generated, I prefer the small comfort of my reasoning without the OCD of all the arguments held over 'facts and figures' of an event so stunning in its execution, 20 years after and still no TRUE answers.. Good luck to you also!!
So why wouldn't NIST release it's technical findings in full connected to building 7? Instead they locked the main report away, citing "muh secret"!
Engineering and architecture is not my forte, however if you want to run through the aviation aspects with me then great.
How did you get to the towers were designed to take a hit from a 707 @ 150mph "with little fuel"? Btw at 150 mph a 707 would be doing about 130kts KIAS assuming zero windspeed, which is bizarre as its V1 speed is, assuming sea level, 154KIAS so at 130KIAS it wouldn't even be flying? The aircraft were never full of fuel either, an airline company and Captain never over-fuels the aircraft, the calculation is done based on the journey, a diversion airfield, and a safety margin? The aircraft that day that hit the towers had approx 10,000 gallons onboard at the start from a total capacity of just short of 24,000 gallons so your assumption that they were "full" is totally incorrect. No airline flies with more fuel than needed for each specific flight.
Allowing for the fuel burnt in flight out of that 10,000 gallons, take it that half the fuel was consumed in the initial fireball we all saw with our own eyes, then roughly 3000 gallons was left to do what you say happened? 3000 gallons perhaps 3500 gallons? Spread throughout a building that size by the time any reached the bottom floors would be zero?
There's a very complex set of equations until we get to the temperature that the Jet A fuel would have burned at, but the short answer is about 260' c The first critical temperature where steel looses about half its strength is at 600'c (when the media quote the temperature as high as 1500'c they are lying, it would be impossible) Jet A and A1 is not some magic Hollywood fuel that detonates when a bullet hits it) I've got a quote here from a study on steel buildings and will include it.
"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."
I hope you don't have a woodburner or open fire to heat your home, be careful because every time you light a fire it might melt!
Regards.
Yes, because the buildings were literally completely empty and there was absolutely nothing else present to catch on fire other than the jet fuel.
The architects of the tower thought of current (at the time 70s) 707s coming in from a cross country flight in foggy conditions-citing the bomber that crashed into the Empire State building-at prep for landing speeds. The fuel sparked fires on several levels of what are one acre floors full of highly combustible office furniture and decorations, punching through ventilation systems and stairwells-thus my idea of the Bessemer Effect-air had to be howling upwards toward the opened floors and heating up the steel joists to the softening phase and the structural integrities of the external steel framing were compromised by the actual punctures. That they held out long enough for many to escape can be considered a tribute to the designers. The floors above the entry points became a pile driver to the floors below and roughly 10 acre feet of air (10 foot high X 1 acre) was expelled in a microsecond, thus looking like explosions. These thoughts are the result of years of arguing with muh government is evil adherents on FB-I refer you to a video on youtube of an F-4 catapulted by rocket sled into a block of concrete to mimic a collision of a plane into a nuke reactor. The results are astonishing.. This I used against the where the planes?? crowd-always with outraged results. I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful response!!
But you answer no actual comments with facts. Like I said the towers were not designed to stop an airliner at 150 mph (130KIAS) because it wouldn't be flying that slow!
You answer none of the questions surrounding the amount of fuel your stating was onboard, "Full" was your statement, incorrect is the truth and about about 6000 gallons by the time the aircraft arrived at the towers.
You don't mention the specific actual temperatures that Jet A or A1 burns at, instead fill each and every office with stuff that is flammable. Do you have any idea what say a large bird will do to the nose of a airliner? Do you understand how fragile aluminium is, at any speed?
So given your theory then of these infamous pancaking floors, what was holding up all of the towers before they fell, surely the first floor couldn't hold the weight of the other 47 above them, I mean it fell at free fall speed meaning there was zero resistance between floors so what was keeping it standing up?
Have you ever seen pictures of the airliner that crashed into a high rise block of flats in Amsterdam? Well guess what, the whole building never collapsed, the masonry did and there was carnage but nothing like the THREE buildings that collapsed on 9 11.
Anyway, please explain how at 32,000' and around various heights how did those onboard make cell phone calls to loved ones? No the aircraft at the time were not fitted with "Satellite phones" in the seats? The aircraft were travelling around 450KIAS at 32,000' (do you have any idea of how fast a groundspeed that is) and just to help, back then your average cell phone would loose signal around 4000' - 8000' feet, but that's not the answer! Good luck.
Out of respect for the thousands that died that day and the thousands that have continued to die from toxins generated, I prefer the small comfort of my reasoning without the OCD of all the arguments held over 'facts and figures' of an event so stunning in its execution, 20 years after and still no TRUE answers.. Good luck to you also!!