Pfizer/Moderna inject the mRNA into the cytosol where it makes the protein.
J&J and AZ inject an adenovirus, which attacks the cells, gets into the cells, then attacks the nucleus. It injects the spike protein DNA into the nucleus. The nucleus makes the mRNA, that gets carried out into the cytosol, and then it makes the spike protein, just like the Pfizer and Moderna.
Anyone who thinks the J&J/AZ are less invasive are completely clueless. As to which is safer, if I had to guess it would be P/M, because of the fewer steps, less invasive nature and much less likely chance of altering the DNA.
However, only data could really tell us, and that is being hidden.
Thanks for clueing me in on the adenovirus. I have not looked into it but had planned to do so. I keep getting distracted by the plethora of information everywhere to look into and go to work at the same time.
This message board has been a Godsend for information and pedes like you researching and taking the time to inform others.
Oddly, it's the Chinese state-owned entity vaccines that are using traditional vaccine technology.
"The bulk of Chinese shots are from Sinovac and Sinopharm, which both rely on a traditional technology called an inactivated virus vaccine, based on cultivating batches of the virus and then killing it. Some countries view it as safer than the newer, less-proven technology used by some Western competitors that targets the coronavirus’ spike protein, despite publicly available safety data for the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines and none for China’s."
We really need to come up with a theory on this because Trump's vaccine push is very worisome. He gave into suppressing Hydroxychloriquine - doesn't say anymore shit about it, but says shit about pushing these terrible vaccines?
Why aren't more people concerned about this? What's the angle here?
None of the vaccines have shown substantial damage so far. By that I mean, the data suggests they are causing death at a rate of about 1:20,000 and serious side effects at a rate of about 1:200. Even if these numbers are underreported by 2 to 5 times (which I think is likely), these are not population destruction events.
If there are longer term effects that are more lethal, which is possible, we will see. But there is no data for that yet, so that is a fear atm (even if somewhat justified) and not a fact.
So is it dangerous? Yes. Is it very dangerous? The data does not support that conclusion. Is it more dangerous than the virus itself? Maybe.
Until we get honest data on coronavirus with proven therapeutics like vitamin D + zinc + HCQ or Ivermectin AND honest data on the vaccines there is no way to answer that question. At the moment the vaccine does appear to be more deadly, but not by so much as to be conclusive.
Now we have to ask what would be happening without the vaccines? How would this world be progressing? Would lock downs last years instead of many places opening up? Would the narrative destroy all resistance instead of the huge resistance that exists now? How high would the suicide rates go without the hope the vaccine brings? How many more would suffer without the economic opening up because of the vaccines? How many would starve, or die to the cold, etc.?
We are at war. It is a world war. It is a war to end all wars between We The People and the Satanists that have enslaved us for (possibly) all of human history. People have died. There will be more people that die. That is what happens in wars.
The astra zenica and jj vaccines still inject spike protein DNA into the cell nucleus.
On the contrary, J&J and AZ are adding a step.
Pfizer/Moderna inject the mRNA into the cytosol where it makes the protein.
J&J and AZ inject an adenovirus, which attacks the cells, gets into the cells, then attacks the nucleus. It injects the spike protein DNA into the nucleus. The nucleus makes the mRNA, that gets carried out into the cytosol, and then it makes the spike protein, just like the Pfizer and Moderna.
Anyone who thinks the J&J/AZ are less invasive are completely clueless. As to which is safer, if I had to guess it would be P/M, because of the fewer steps, less invasive nature and much less likely chance of altering the DNA.
However, only data could really tell us, and that is being hidden.
Thanks for clueing me in on the adenovirus. I have not looked into it but had planned to do so. I keep getting distracted by the plethora of information everywhere to look into and go to work at the same time.
This message board has been a Godsend for information and pedes like you researching and taking the time to inform others.
Oddly, it's the Chinese state-owned entity vaccines that are using traditional vaccine technology.
"The bulk of Chinese shots are from Sinovac and Sinopharm, which both rely on a traditional technology called an inactivated virus vaccine, based on cultivating batches of the virus and then killing it. Some countries view it as safer than the newer, less-proven technology used by some Western competitors that targets the coronavirus’ spike protein, despite publicly available safety data for the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines and none for China’s."
Okay, so why is Trump pushing it?
We really need to come up with a theory on this because Trump's vaccine push is very worisome. He gave into suppressing Hydroxychloriquine - doesn't say anymore shit about it, but says shit about pushing these terrible vaccines?
Why aren't more people concerned about this? What's the angle here?
Does Trump not know it's dangerous and is hurting people?
None of this makes any sense unless we've all been played.
None of the vaccines have shown substantial damage so far. By that I mean, the data suggests they are causing death at a rate of about 1:20,000 and serious side effects at a rate of about 1:200. Even if these numbers are underreported by 2 to 5 times (which I think is likely), these are not population destruction events.
If there are longer term effects that are more lethal, which is possible, we will see. But there is no data for that yet, so that is a fear atm (even if somewhat justified) and not a fact.
So is it dangerous? Yes. Is it very dangerous? The data does not support that conclusion. Is it more dangerous than the virus itself? Maybe.
Until we get honest data on coronavirus with proven therapeutics like vitamin D + zinc + HCQ or Ivermectin AND honest data on the vaccines there is no way to answer that question. At the moment the vaccine does appear to be more deadly, but not by so much as to be conclusive.
Now we have to ask what would be happening without the vaccines? How would this world be progressing? Would lock downs last years instead of many places opening up? Would the narrative destroy all resistance instead of the huge resistance that exists now? How high would the suicide rates go without the hope the vaccine brings? How many more would suffer without the economic opening up because of the vaccines? How many would starve, or die to the cold, etc.?
We are at war. It is a world war. It is a war to end all wars between We The People and the Satanists that have enslaved us for (possibly) all of human history. People have died. There will be more people that die. That is what happens in wars.
Biontech/Pfizer too, it is also their first vaccine.