Pfizer/Moderna inject the mRNA into the cytosol where it makes the protein.
J&J and AZ inject an adenovirus, which attacks the cells, gets into the cells, then attacks the nucleus. It injects the spike protein DNA into the nucleus. The nucleus makes the mRNA, that gets carried out into the cytosol, and then it makes the spike protein, just like the Pfizer and Moderna.
Anyone who thinks the J&J/AZ are less invasive are completely clueless. As to which is safer, if I had to guess it would be P/M, because of the fewer steps, less invasive nature and much less likely chance of altering the DNA.
However, only data could really tell us, and that is being hidden.
Thanks for clueing me in on the adenovirus. I have not looked into it but had planned to do so. I keep getting distracted by the plethora of information everywhere to look into and go to work at the same time.
This message board has been a Godsend for information and pedes like you researching and taking the time to inform others.
Oddly, it's the Chinese state-owned entity vaccines that are using traditional vaccine technology.
"The bulk of Chinese shots are from Sinovac and Sinopharm, which both rely on a traditional technology called an inactivated virus vaccine, based on cultivating batches of the virus and then killing it. Some countries view it as safer than the newer, less-proven technology used by some Western competitors that targets the coronavirus’ spike protein, despite publicly available safety data for the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines and none for China’s."
We really need to come up with a theory on this because Trump's vaccine push is very worisome. He gave into suppressing Hydroxychloriquine - doesn't say anymore shit about it, but says shit about pushing these terrible vaccines?
Why aren't more people concerned about this? What's the angle here?
None of the vaccines have shown substantial damage so far. By that I mean, the data suggests they are causing death at a rate of about 1:20,000 and serious side effects at a rate of about 1:200. Even if these numbers are underreported by 2 to 5 times (which I think is likely), these are not population destruction events.
If there are longer term effects that are more lethal, which is possible, we will see. But there is no data for that yet, so that is a fear atm (even if somewhat justified) and not a fact.
So is it dangerous? Yes. Is it very dangerous? The data does not support that conclusion. Is it more dangerous than the virus itself? Maybe.
Until we get honest data on coronavirus with proven therapeutics like vitamin D + zinc + HCQ or Ivermectin AND honest data on the vaccines there is no way to answer that question. At the moment the vaccine does appear to be more deadly, but not by so much as to be conclusive.
Now we have to ask what would be happening without the vaccines? How would this world be progressing? Would lock downs last years instead of many places opening up? Would the narrative destroy all resistance instead of the huge resistance that exists now? How high would the suicide rates go without the hope the vaccine brings? How many more would suffer without the economic opening up because of the vaccines? How many would starve, or die to the cold, etc.?
We are at war. It is a world war. It is a war to end all wars between We The People and the Satanists that have enslaved us for (possibly) all of human history. People have died. There will be more people that die. That is what happens in wars.
Why would all this matter if things are coming to completion soon?
I guess Trump lied when he said this year would be "great."
And maybe we're to deal with a stolen election for years?
Nothing is making sense anymore...
And yeah, the vaccines are worrisome, and there's theories out there that the bioweapon called COVID will be many times more lethal when it gets to those who've been vaccinated.
The DS are chess players too... These are all phases of their plan. The vaccines and COVID go together like PB&J; all by design.
Trump's behavior through all of this has been concerning for me.
Why would all this matter if things are coming to completion soon?
One of the points I was making was that the REASON things are (hopefully) coming to completion was because of the vaccines. Without them, we would be stuck. The vaccines break us free from the narrative.
I guess Trump lied when he said this year would be "great."
The year is a quarter done. Lets wait and see what the next 9 months bring before calling him a liar. Personally I think so far it has gone pretty good. Things are heading in the right direction. More people are awake and aware of who the real enemy is than ever before in human history. More people are willing to do what it takes to be our own masters than ever before. This is possibly the most exciting time to be a live ever.
And maybe we're to deal with a stolen election for years?
It only takes one good crack and that dam will break. My eyes are on Maricopa.
Nothing is making sense anymore...
This is a disinformation war. Keep your eyes open and don't let any belief be so strong that you don't allow yourself to see evidence to the contrary. Stay alert. Learn how to believe without believing something is "truth," but accept something as true enough to provide an actionable path in the moment (a path that can change with new information).
there's theories out there that the bioweapon called COVID will be many times more lethal when it gets to those who've been vaccinated.
Yes, we shall see. Even if true this will not be a population level event, but rather a wake up call. Again, this is the war to end all wars. People will die. We must accept that freedom is not free.
The DS are chess players too... These are all phases of their plan. The vaccines and COVID go together like PB&J; all by design
Yes and no. Scenarios they have written up do not account for vaccines coming out this quick. This acceleration I believe was not a part of their plan. All it does is wake people up, which is the opposite of what they have done for thousands of years. I really don't think it was them.
Trump's behavior through all of this has been concerning for me
Always keep your eyes open, but remember, this is a disinformation war. That is the battlefield. No one is saying things directly. Gen. Flynn has lied many times.
If you take a look at all the actions put together though, it seems that they are definitely on our side. They have brought about a wake up spell the likes never seen in human history.
That is what matters. The little things in between that we don't understand are irrelevant.
We are being taught to take nothing on its face. Taking things at face value, i.e. assigning our thinking over to our "authorities" is how we got in this mess to begin with.
On the contrary, J&J and AZ are adding a step.
Pfizer/Moderna inject the mRNA into the cytosol where it makes the protein.
J&J and AZ inject an adenovirus, which attacks the cells, gets into the cells, then attacks the nucleus. It injects the spike protein DNA into the nucleus. The nucleus makes the mRNA, that gets carried out into the cytosol, and then it makes the spike protein, just like the Pfizer and Moderna.
Anyone who thinks the J&J/AZ are less invasive are completely clueless. As to which is safer, if I had to guess it would be P/M, because of the fewer steps, less invasive nature and much less likely chance of altering the DNA.
However, only data could really tell us, and that is being hidden.
Thanks for clueing me in on the adenovirus. I have not looked into it but had planned to do so. I keep getting distracted by the plethora of information everywhere to look into and go to work at the same time.
This message board has been a Godsend for information and pedes like you researching and taking the time to inform others.
Oddly, it's the Chinese state-owned entity vaccines that are using traditional vaccine technology.
"The bulk of Chinese shots are from Sinovac and Sinopharm, which both rely on a traditional technology called an inactivated virus vaccine, based on cultivating batches of the virus and then killing it. Some countries view it as safer than the newer, less-proven technology used by some Western competitors that targets the coronavirus’ spike protein, despite publicly available safety data for the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines and none for China’s."
Okay, so why is Trump pushing it?
We really need to come up with a theory on this because Trump's vaccine push is very worisome. He gave into suppressing Hydroxychloriquine - doesn't say anymore shit about it, but says shit about pushing these terrible vaccines?
Why aren't more people concerned about this? What's the angle here?
Does Trump not know it's dangerous and is hurting people?
None of this makes any sense unless we've all been played.
None of the vaccines have shown substantial damage so far. By that I mean, the data suggests they are causing death at a rate of about 1:20,000 and serious side effects at a rate of about 1:200. Even if these numbers are underreported by 2 to 5 times (which I think is likely), these are not population destruction events.
If there are longer term effects that are more lethal, which is possible, we will see. But there is no data for that yet, so that is a fear atm (even if somewhat justified) and not a fact.
So is it dangerous? Yes. Is it very dangerous? The data does not support that conclusion. Is it more dangerous than the virus itself? Maybe.
Until we get honest data on coronavirus with proven therapeutics like vitamin D + zinc + HCQ or Ivermectin AND honest data on the vaccines there is no way to answer that question. At the moment the vaccine does appear to be more deadly, but not by so much as to be conclusive.
Now we have to ask what would be happening without the vaccines? How would this world be progressing? Would lock downs last years instead of many places opening up? Would the narrative destroy all resistance instead of the huge resistance that exists now? How high would the suicide rates go without the hope the vaccine brings? How many more would suffer without the economic opening up because of the vaccines? How many would starve, or die to the cold, etc.?
We are at war. It is a world war. It is a war to end all wars between We The People and the Satanists that have enslaved us for (possibly) all of human history. People have died. There will be more people that die. That is what happens in wars.
Why would all this matter if things are coming to completion soon?
I guess Trump lied when he said this year would be "great."
And maybe we're to deal with a stolen election for years?
Nothing is making sense anymore...
And yeah, the vaccines are worrisome, and there's theories out there that the bioweapon called COVID will be many times more lethal when it gets to those who've been vaccinated.
The DS are chess players too... These are all phases of their plan. The vaccines and COVID go together like PB&J; all by design.
Trump's behavior through all of this has been concerning for me.
One of the points I was making was that the REASON things are (hopefully) coming to completion was because of the vaccines. Without them, we would be stuck. The vaccines break us free from the narrative.
The year is a quarter done. Lets wait and see what the next 9 months bring before calling him a liar. Personally I think so far it has gone pretty good. Things are heading in the right direction. More people are awake and aware of who the real enemy is than ever before in human history. More people are willing to do what it takes to be our own masters than ever before. This is possibly the most exciting time to be a live ever.
It only takes one good crack and that dam will break. My eyes are on Maricopa.
This is a disinformation war. Keep your eyes open and don't let any belief be so strong that you don't allow yourself to see evidence to the contrary. Stay alert. Learn how to believe without believing something is "truth," but accept something as true enough to provide an actionable path in the moment (a path that can change with new information).
Yes, we shall see. Even if true this will not be a population level event, but rather a wake up call. Again, this is the war to end all wars. People will die. We must accept that freedom is not free.
Yes and no. Scenarios they have written up do not account for vaccines coming out this quick. This acceleration I believe was not a part of their plan. All it does is wake people up, which is the opposite of what they have done for thousands of years. I really don't think it was them.
Always keep your eyes open, but remember, this is a disinformation war. That is the battlefield. No one is saying things directly. Gen. Flynn has lied many times.
If you take a look at all the actions put together though, it seems that they are definitely on our side. They have brought about a wake up spell the likes never seen in human history.
That is what matters. The little things in between that we don't understand are irrelevant.
We are being taught to take nothing on its face. Taking things at face value, i.e. assigning our thinking over to our "authorities" is how we got in this mess to begin with.