First post of my GA career for those noticing my handshake status. Question: I see peer reviewed and published evidence that masks do NOT work, but has anyone seen the same saying that they do work? I want to be able to say to my boss that there is no such evidence--I have not found any. You?
Edit: Thanks to everyone for comments and links. Looks like this topic has been discussed in the past (like so many items on this site). I appreciate the input and your patience. Being new, this was good to see.
Nope, any "masks work" references are to fraudulent, biased, lab environment studies that are not peer reviewed, and carry zero relevancy for medical based decisions.
Thanks for the comment.
I looked last year. All the credible mask studies I was able to find were for the medical community. I read about 30 of them and found no studies in favor of masks for the public or to prevent a virus. Most recently there is that NIH study that says they are useless.
Exactly what I have found/seen... nothing. Appreciate the comment.
Masks don’t work to stop the transmission of virus particles. Period. https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
Unknown Aspects of Mask Wearing Many potential harms may arise from broad public policies to wear masks, and the following unanswered questions arise:
Do used and loaded masks become sources of enhanced transmission, for the wearer and others?
Do masks become collectors and retainers of pathogens that the mask wearer would otherwise avoid when breathing without a mask?
Are large droplets captured by a mask atomized or aerolized into breathable components? Can virions escape an evaporating droplet stuck to a mask fiber?
What are the dangers of bacterial growth on a used and loaded mask?
How do pathogen-laden droplets interact with environmental dust and aerosols captured on the mask?
What are long-term health effects on HCW, such as headaches, arising from impeded breathing?
Are there negative social consequences to a masked society?
Are there negative psychological consequences to wearing a mask, as a fear-based behavioral modification?
What are the environmental consequences of mask manufacturing and disposal?
Do the masks shed fibers or substances that are harmful when inhaled?
Great stuff. Thanks.
This is a great rabbit hole. There have been quite a few papers that have come out in this last year on the amazing effectiveness of masks at reducing viral transmission. They all start with the same axiom. For example, from this paper.
Or from this paper:
Or this one:
This is the base axiom for numerous studies which go on to show how masks can effectively stop these exhalation droplets.
Where does this axiom come from? Is there science on that?
This is from the CDC:
Mmkay. Where's the link to a study that shows that CDC?
Bueller?
Bueller?
I can't find any evidence that supports this statement from the CDC.
It's like someone just threw the idea out there, and it became accepted science.
They seem to be creating scientific truth (which every scientist knows is an oxymoron) de novo.
There are many papers that use this axiom and provide compelling evidence that masks work. I have seen no papers that test the axiom itself and provide compelling evidence that masks work, or that the virus (or any virus for that matter) are transmitted in this way. In fact, they provide evidence to the contrary.
Even articles that are sited as showing that the virus is spread through these droplets are actually saying the opposite! The third paper I selected above links to this article to show that SARS-cov-2 is transmitted by droplets. This is what that article has to say:
This is the science we are supposed to be following (into our eternal slavery).
It creates, out of thin air, "science" that says that the virus we must all fear as death knocking on our collective door is transmitted via water droplets that we exhale. There is no evidence, it is instead just a spell that is being cast. A wave of the hand, and ALAKHAZAM! a new reality is created.
This is the only reality where a virus that is 120nm can be blocked by masks with holes that are 10,000nm wide. Therefore, that is the reality we live in. There is no science that questions that reality that is approved.
The cake is a lie.
Thanks for the VERY thorough reply. You've set the bar high! What you've explained is sort of the basis for my questions, I think. The peer reviewed article that was on the Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/stanford-study-results-facemasks-ineffective-block-transmission-covid-19-actually-can-cause-health-deterioration-premature-death/ ) is what I consider evidence, whereas the other stuff that you so eloquently summarized is common sense. It is true that water vapor can be trapped by my mask... but that does not mean that the virus itself remained trapped--which is tied into the point you were making. Anyway, good stuff. Thanks. I will be incorporating this into my argument. Here is the actual Standford U study on the NCBI direct link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/
It's important to note that the "study" you are quoting is actually an hypothesis and not a study at all. Don't get me wrong, it is very well done and provides a ton of links to studies to support the claims made, but it is not a scientific study, but a well laid out argument.
The study I linked to is the only large scientific study that I have found that shows that cloth masks (or any masks really) do not block the transmission of viruses. That is an actual scientific study. The one you are using (which you absolutely should be using) is an argument.
The distinction is very important when presenting a case, though many laypersons may not recognize the importance.
Excellent clarification. Thanks.
Take a piece of chain link fence... and make it into a fly swatter.
How effective is it at swatting flies?
Same for the effectiveness of fabric masks vs. microscopic viruses. :>)
Awesome. Thanks for the link. I hadn't gotten to this comment from you and I replied to the Fren above and pasted the same thing. This is a good sign... we are seeing and validating the same info!
I think a better question would be to ask, why can't they isolate the virus.
https://rumble.com/vdxg7j-fake-covid-virus.html
Two replies so far, and I'm battin' 1000%. Thanks for the great question. Ageed.
Another approach would be using Influenza. The numbers are at a record low. If it's so low due to our covid measures, why is covid still "spreading at an alarming rate" like they say? They can't have their cake and eat it too. Either the measures work or they don't, but something needs to explain the ridiculous drop in cases and deaths via influenza.
It's because they are calling the flu "Covid" to pump up the numbers and scare people into taking a DNA modifying shot that probably reacts with 5G. But we already know that.
Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle.
I didn't. I also argued with many people online about it, and they weren't able to proof I'm wrong.
Same! Thanks for posting.
Whoa! Thank you!! Looks like this topic has been on your mind, too. I applaud your research skills.
Keep sharing. Every day. Its not redundant. Its a living library that way
Masks don’t work to stop the transmission of virus particles. Period. https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
Do used and loaded masks become sources of enhanced transmission, for the wearer and others? Do masks become collectors and retainers of pathogens that the mask wearer would otherwise avoid when breathing without a mask? Are large droplets captured by a mask atomized or aerolized into breathable components? Can virions escape an evaporating droplet stuck to a mask fiber? What are the dangers of bacterial growth on a used and loaded mask? How do pathogen-laden droplets interact with environmental dust and aerosols captured on the mask? What are long-term health effects on HCW, such as headaches, arising from impeded breathing? Are there negative social consequences to a masked society? Are there negative psychological consequences to wearing a mask, as a fear-based behavioral modification? What are the environmental consequences of mask manufacturing and disposal? Do the masks shed fibers or substances that are harmful when inhaled?>
There was a Peer Review study by BYU. It was the worst amalgam of circular and illegitimate references I have ever seen. They referenced fuking WAPO, VOX, and the Atlantic. A “scientific study”. It was almost satire. Shortly after dozens of libtard news orgs used it to perpetuate the mask lie ( last spring). People will believe any bullshit u throw at them. Just label it ‘science’ and sell it as legit in the press. Idiots.
If any kind of mask even slightly worked, FDA,CDC and the WHO would've standardized and mandated It and the manufacturer(likely chinese) wouldve made a boatload of money
Bingo! I've asked this question to normies and get replies of stunned silence, anger at me, or both.
No one can point to any guidelines of what to kind of mask to wear.
How does a virus know if you are eating, indoors, or if you are at gasp! church, versus a Burn loot murder mostly fiery but peaceful protest?
Normies cannot answer that. It breaks their conditioning and they get mad at me for daring to make them think.
I read many, and the most positive about masks were still in the "sometimes in certain circumstances some masks look like they might have helped reduce transmission by up to 2%." Which is pretty poor and generally goes with the old saying "negative results don't get published." And if you don't get published you don't get funded. Many studies are busy work for grad students too.
In terms of filtration, N95 (The best of the masks people wear) means that it stops 95% of particles at 0.3 microns. Far larger than any viral material. Also assumes that the mask is perfectly sealed to the wearer's face, which is rare at best.
In order to protect cross-contamination in a hospital setting, what's most common is a HEPA filter that stops 99.97% of 0.3 microns. So, because they can't guarantee that it will block any contaminants they will typically ALSO have duct mounted UV lights to kill off anything that might slip through.
As far as PPE, like with virologists who actually work with viruses, the only guarantee is through a Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus with an air supply, typically over-pressure so if any leaks occur the clean air blows out rather than contaminated air leaking in.
Not effective at preventing viral spread, potentially harmful with regard to bacterial infection. Widely known prior to 2020.