i got all these dislikes but the truth is it’s not you putting your own life at risk. You got secondhand smoke oral cancer, lung cancer, throat cancer. It’s not like Cigarettes do more good than harm. All they do is harm. And not gonna lie I do support the ban on the giant sodas. Not because i’m some tyrant. But the same people who get mad that their 42oz sodas are being banned A) don’t drink 42oz sodas or B) DO drink 42oz sodas and then wonder why healthcare costs so much.
And you bring up smoking spaces. Smoking spaces are for the smokers. Not the smoke. Smoke travels. And smoking areas aren’t age restricted lol. So anyone can just walk through.
Americans were their healthiest before cigarettes. It was marketed as nothing more as a passtime in the 30s and 40s. You dont even see commercials anymore because of how bad they are. And with vaping its getting worse.
Give me all the hate you want but the idea of “We shouldn’t ban x,y, and z because America” is just a closed minded argument with bo thought to it.
Giving people the freedom of choice is the opposite of a close minded argument. You sound like an undercover commie that thinks the government should dictate our life choices.
i can’t believe people here are defending the use of cigarettes in the name of freedom. I’m not talking about guns or beef or oil or even pastic. I’m talking abiut fucking cigarettes. Go tell all those who lose rheir lives because of smoking or all those who lose their jaws or tongues or vocal chords that the lesson they learned is still gonna happen because we don’t wanna give up the freedom to kill ourselves.
This is a targeted ban because menthol is predominately used by smokers of the darker variety. This is sure to sit well amongst them, ya think? Maybe, if cigarettes and cigars are deemed to be so dangerous, maybe Joseph Stolen should administratively ban them altogether. I;m partly saying this sarcastically - the point is, what is next on their agenda?
I was talking to my friend just now and he brings up he doesnt believe in the arrest of people for smoking. And that’s not what I’m tryna get at. I’m not looking to arrest or punish anybody. So maybe this can be a change in position but still.
I’m not trtna out people in jail. I wanna eliminate the cigarette industry. The industry not the individual. If you wanna roll your own cigs and buy tobacco go for it. However i’m all for a plan to eliminate companies that profit off poisonous products and arent held legally liable for all the destruction they are still causing to peoples lives.
When you give an inch they take a mile. Thats the reason why freedom of choice is so important. Its their fault that they wanna smoke. But thats their decision. When you allow the government to make the choice your are giving up your rights. Look with COVID. We allowed them the mask mandate and social distancing and now they want even more restrictions. We are all well aware of how dangerous smoking is, but its the freedom of choice to kill yourself, not the government.
The government mandating masks and social distancing (which if youve seen my posts i’m 100% against always and forever) and also banning HCQ (im just adding) is a terrible analogy to use because those mandates were based on absolutely NO scientific data. And after a year with them it’s been found to have had an adverse reaction on the population. Unlike Cigarettes, which have study after study after study proving they have no health benefits.
Banning cigarettes is difference from banning alcohol too because alcohol, unlike cigarettes, not only doesnt have many bad effects if used in moderation, sometimes have health benefits like whiskey or wine. They’re used for celebratory purposes. There is no celebratory champagne version of a cigarette.
Well first of all saying cigarettes only do harm is not true. The people smoking them get enjoyment, pleasure, and relaxation. It creates jobs from field to counter. It's obviously worth it to those that smoke; and obviously not worth it me, and not worth it to you.
I agree with you on a lot of your sentiments but not your solution. You don't force people to make the same decisions you do when it comes to stuff like this, you convince them.
Smoke rises and dissipates, if you're generally staying away from smokers then just regular pollution is worse then what they're putting out. (But I still get it, it's annoying, I don't like them, but still not the role of government)
You don't see commercials for cigarettes anymore because they made it illegal, no other reason.
I don't think I'm the one being close minded here either. I agree with most of what you're saying, you're just ignoring how easily "your solution" can and will be abused by other people
And just to some up I leave you with a quote:
"It’s absolutely scary seeing someone in power trying to tell me what to do." - Xirturn1984
i got all these dislikes but the truth is it’s not you putting your own life at risk. You got secondhand smoke oral cancer, lung cancer, throat cancer. It’s not like Cigarettes do more good than harm. All they do is harm. And not gonna lie I do support the ban on the giant sodas. Not because i’m some tyrant. But the same people who get mad that their 42oz sodas are being banned A) don’t drink 42oz sodas or B) DO drink 42oz sodas and then wonder why healthcare costs so much.
And you bring up smoking spaces. Smoking spaces are for the smokers. Not the smoke. Smoke travels. And smoking areas aren’t age restricted lol. So anyone can just walk through.
Americans were their healthiest before cigarettes. It was marketed as nothing more as a passtime in the 30s and 40s. You dont even see commercials anymore because of how bad they are. And with vaping its getting worse.
Give me all the hate you want but the idea of “We shouldn’t ban x,y, and z because America” is just a closed minded argument with bo thought to it.
Giving people the freedom of choice is the opposite of a close minded argument. You sound like an undercover commie that thinks the government should dictate our life choices.
i can’t believe people here are defending the use of cigarettes in the name of freedom. I’m not talking about guns or beef or oil or even pastic. I’m talking abiut fucking cigarettes. Go tell all those who lose rheir lives because of smoking or all those who lose their jaws or tongues or vocal chords that the lesson they learned is still gonna happen because we don’t wanna give up the freedom to kill ourselves.
This is a targeted ban because menthol is predominately used by smokers of the darker variety. This is sure to sit well amongst them, ya think? Maybe, if cigarettes and cigars are deemed to be so dangerous, maybe Joseph Stolen should administratively ban them altogether. I;m partly saying this sarcastically - the point is, what is next on their agenda?
I was talking to my friend just now and he brings up he doesnt believe in the arrest of people for smoking. And that’s not what I’m tryna get at. I’m not looking to arrest or punish anybody. So maybe this can be a change in position but still.
I’m not trtna out people in jail. I wanna eliminate the cigarette industry. The industry not the individual. If you wanna roll your own cigs and buy tobacco go for it. However i’m all for a plan to eliminate companies that profit off poisonous products and arent held legally liable for all the destruction they are still causing to peoples lives.
When you give an inch they take a mile. Thats the reason why freedom of choice is so important. Its their fault that they wanna smoke. But thats their decision. When you allow the government to make the choice your are giving up your rights. Look with COVID. We allowed them the mask mandate and social distancing and now they want even more restrictions. We are all well aware of how dangerous smoking is, but its the freedom of choice to kill yourself, not the government.
The government mandating masks and social distancing (which if youve seen my posts i’m 100% against always and forever) and also banning HCQ (im just adding) is a terrible analogy to use because those mandates were based on absolutely NO scientific data. And after a year with them it’s been found to have had an adverse reaction on the population. Unlike Cigarettes, which have study after study after study proving they have no health benefits.
Banning cigarettes is difference from banning alcohol too because alcohol, unlike cigarettes, not only doesnt have many bad effects if used in moderation, sometimes have health benefits like whiskey or wine. They’re used for celebratory purposes. There is no celebratory champagne version of a cigarette.
Bro... smoking has existed since the dawn of this great country.
Really, it's been around 5000 years before Christ!
I said cigarettes. And I followed it with a fact that it was marketed as a passtime.
Yes, cigarettes too. You're wrong. Rolled (manufactured) cigarettes existed in the 1800s and people rolled their own long before that.
Well first of all saying cigarettes only do harm is not true. The people smoking them get enjoyment, pleasure, and relaxation. It creates jobs from field to counter. It's obviously worth it to those that smoke; and obviously not worth it me, and not worth it to you.
I agree with you on a lot of your sentiments but not your solution. You don't force people to make the same decisions you do when it comes to stuff like this, you convince them.
Smoke rises and dissipates, if you're generally staying away from smokers then just regular pollution is worse then what they're putting out. (But I still get it, it's annoying, I don't like them, but still not the role of government)
You don't see commercials for cigarettes anymore because they made it illegal, no other reason.
I don't think I'm the one being close minded here either. I agree with most of what you're saying, you're just ignoring how easily "your solution" can and will be abused by other people
And just to some up I leave you with a quote:
"It’s absolutely scary seeing someone in power trying to tell me what to do." - Xirturn1984