I’m not religious but I’m a massive Trump and Q follower. I see lots Christians on the board, any other atheists around here?
How do you view the religious factor in the Q movement?
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Likewise, if I am a child who was just born, I cant even comprehend the concept of Jesus. If I die coming out the womb because my mom wants a late term abortion, and I didnt repent to jesus, am I damned? I hate to dog on your religion like it is a centuries old psyop to control you, but all signs point to yes.
No, infants would not go to hell because they have not reached the age of accountability. They can't understand right from wrong yet.
https://www.gotquestions.org/age-of-accountability.html
There are no signs that point to yes. Repenting involves knowledge that you have wronged someone, sorrow for having done so, apologizing for having hurt someone, and resolving not to do it again. This is beyond the capacity of a pre-born to understand.
Jesus said: "Let the little children come to me and forbid them not, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven."
Wikipedia has the whole list, (I'm not the biggest WP fan, but this should give you more than enough to chew on) And here is just one:
**At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 18:1–10)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_of_Jesus_about_little_children
As to 'religion being a psyop' I agree! Any attempt to gain Heaven by our own effort is a very cunningly crafted psyop to steer people away from the truth: A relationship with your creator is Heaven itself. As far as Jesus is concerned, there is plenty of evidence for both his existence and the validity of his claims. Honest seekers of truth have always been welcomed by Him.
Okay so once I reach the age of accountability I still have to know Jesus and repent in his name? So even if i keep to my own moral code of accountability that is identical to that of Jesus, but I do not repent, am I still damned? Because I did not kneel and swear fealty and praise Jesus? I do not show praise to anyone who doesnt appreciate the time I take out of my day to seek them enough to show themself to me. Ya dig? If God or Jesus, or whoever doesnt hear that plea enough to show themself to me, far be it for me to dedicate my life to them. Lately the only signs that God exists are the signs that the Devil exists. Id like to think that if God was so much more powerful he could show himself to me. Am I taunting God now? I'm such a blasphemer! I guess he did create me in his image. Like when he made that bet with the devil and destroyed a man's life to prove himself right (story of Job)
Once you get beyond the cognitive biases that come about because you fear the unkown, you can see religion for what it is. is precisely the mentality that unless you come to the lord and repent to him, or through jesus, or allah ackbar, or whoever that justified the actions of the crusades and allowed Judeo-christian philosophy to very brutally conquer the world. Again. Its a very well played, thousands of years old psyop that has been perverted many times to appropriate other religions, i,e Christmas. Which is actually a Pagan holiday that was incorporated into Christianity to blur the lines over a couple generations to expand the influence of the vatican . Because for the people at the top it never was about congruency, or keeping with the original story, it was about expanding their base of power, and they did it well. Like I said, if God wants to come to me ill be happy when he does, but as far as im concerned he needs to meet me in the middle, and not make demands on which way I come to him. If he loves me and asks so much of me, I feel it is only fair to ask that of him. Edit, this comment also replied to another user, Inthough both comments were from the same person. Aorry for any confusion
Man I have been where you are. The reality is you don't know where one phsyop ends and another begins. In my veiw you pushing a 200 year old anti-relgion phsyop that leverages about 2000 years of authoritarian power plays layered on top of religious beleif. The net result is you are pointing out the evil of the powerful as the only example of what the meaning of Jesus is. There is a fallacy built into this. One thing does not share its meaning or interpretation uniformly across a group. Ie christ means different things to different people.
I don't care what organized religion has to say, never have, never will. But instead I have found real psychological utility in the archetype of the most good person who could exist, who was tortured and killed in proportion to how good he was. That is so patently true in so many areas of life, that we are punished for our virtues by the world around us, that it has become a daily reminder to recenter myself, "I am not that good, and I am not suffering that bad".
Be angry at religion, be angry at authority, but open up your mind.
I can recomend this lecture series that makes a rational case for the psychological utility of the Bible. It might help you sort out the phsy op from the ancestral wisdom.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat
I knew before i clicked on it you were going to link me to Jordan Peterson. Hell you write like he speaks!! Ill give him a listen, maybe someone like him can explain some of the fallacies that I find in Christianity
Well said, my friend. An open mind and heart are among my greatest virtues to maintain. Within those virtues I find creedence to all forms in which "Christ" manifests himself. I try not to be angry because we are all in different places along our own spiritual path and if there is a higher power this is what they intended. Presumably whatever you are experiencing is what you need to grow into the next plane of existence, and no matter what you believe; I wish you well along that path
If you kept a code that is identical to Jesus' code of ethics, perfectly, then we would look to you to lead us, and you would have no need of a savior. Jesus Himself said, "Those who sick need a physician." Jesus also said:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
The will of the Father is explicitly explained in the two greatest commandments, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. Crusades were not loving.
You missed the point entirely and went off on a total tangent. According to Jesus, to procreate is to sin, so its really no surprise that nobody could put themselves on that level, its literally impossible. So ill ask this instead: Do people on islands in the middle of the ocean who have never had contact with any other humans have to worry because they never repented in Jesus name? Better go save them and teach them about Jesus!! This is how the crusades came about, fren. If I cannot read the Bible and someone has lead me astray to praise Satan because I trusted them and didn't know any better, do I still have a place in heaven? That being said; how do you know Jesus is the right savior to worship? How do you know you have not been lead astray?
Religion isnt something we come equipped to seek, it is only our fellow humans who guide us to it in my experience. Once I have something click that didnt come to me from the mouth or written word of another human, a pure spiritual experience that leads ne to "Christ" ill be open to it. Supposedly the Bible is full of accounts of those experiences so Ill wait patiently for mine. Maybe God has just been busy and he will get to me in due time. But I refuse to swear fealty out of fear, that has lead far too many down the wrong path.